Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #5

SarahD wrote:i keep thinking that TPTB had a hand but how could they have predicted how Hannah would handle this situation. That she was in on it?

Jed's life is kind of ruined after this fiasco. Even for MF, it seems too much to play with.

I would bet my life on it that she knew, and if she didn't know what they were up to , they framed it so she would have no choice when the dirt on Jed came out because they pronounced so much on the " beast" the girl that will take no crap, the strong bad azz woman ect" and they knew she would be perceived negatively if she didn't dump his azz immediately. IMO they had ALL to do with this to get the drama filled season that they wanted. ( I believe they even made her keep Luke around until the end.) jmo

beautifulxendings wrote:

sosleepy wrote:

Sprite wrote:I go to work and all hell breaks loose...but in a good way.

Happy to hear that Hannah broke off the engagement....and suspect she will now dump his sorry a** fully ASAP after everything that came out today. Seems her family is fully supporting that.

As much as I like her and Tyler, I want her to take some time to evaluate why she picks these idiots and why she feels the need to drag on the relationships even after she sees the red flags. Maybe after a few months they can give dating a try and go slow.

I am dying that after this upcoming Monday I will not be watching the rest of this season live...particularly the final. I may have to do some digging for links because for once...this will truly be the most dramatic season ever!!!!!!!!

But Sprite. She kind of did learn. Like last week we were ALL expecting this girl to stand by Jed. I figured she’d potentially be with him like a year or longer! Within six days, she canned his azz. She knows her worth. I’m so proud of her. Maybe she did learn something.

If she needs time, I support that. But I also saw something so special with them.  Even now, in interviews while being engaged to Jed, she glows about Tyler. Maybe it was easier for her to let Jed go so fast, cause she knows her heart isn’t 100% in anyway. Meanwhile, Tyler, he’s just really reaching out so hard. I just strongly feel Hannah and Tyler had this experience ripped away from them because of some pretty awful deception. If they want to take ownership of their journey and make something positive out of it, sooner, rather than later before more time has passed and life and Bachelor potentially gets in the way, I so support them. They can move slow. No need for a crazy engagement. It’s horrible to live with regrets.

I agree! Especially if it was a last minute decision as its rumored and she was really conflicted, then why not? Why let a cheating ahole/being manipulated stand in the way of pursuing someone you truly love? Both Jason and Arie seem pretty happy with their choice.

If it was straight up struggle for her between Jed and Tyler, then I wouldn't have an issue, but for me, she was all in for Luke first and tried to drag his a** to the end until he finally pushed her over the edge. Then it was apparently a toss up between Tyler and Jed...regardless if it was manipulated by tptb, which I have no trouble believing, it still appears to be a long standing pattern for her.

I have been on the Tyler train since the start. I always thought their connection seemed the best...mental, physical, emotional. I couldn't understand how she could go for the two manipulative, idiots when she had a man like Tyler there supporting her every step of the way. There was such an ease, humour, comfort between them despite the fact that their chemistry was through the roof. He deserves someone who truly appreciates all of him and not someone who is flip flopping back and forth about who and what she wants. I do think he wants to support her and would take her back, but sometimes you need to take a step back in order to move forward and I really think she needs to do that.

Hannah is so young and hasn't had much experience with relationships. She just came through the hell hole that this franchise puts it's leads through...particularly the women. They manipulated her till she was probably mentally and physically exhausted. She was also manipulated by Luke and Jed and more than likely is only now realising just the full extent of that. She needs to hit a reset. Take a breath. Have a long talk with her family and one with Tyler. They are one of my all time favourite couples to come out of this show and I do hope that they come out of it together, but slowly and with a clear head. I think he is right...they could do great things together...just give it a little bit of time.

sosleepy wrote:

Sharnee wrote:Jed’s history with women is long and dirty . He’s never learned even up to this year. Hope he learns after this year. There was no smear campaign against Jed. His past and present just collided imo.

He really, REALLY should have researched the show before he went on. A man with this many skeletons doesn’t last long before RS/rumor mill/Reddit/spoiler sites/tabloids sniff you out. The second he let himself into top 4 with that many things to hide, he was a dead man walking. He would have understood this if he took time to learn the show. Not smart. Had it coming though.

That’s why he wanted to get to F5! And he learned just enough from James McA T and Luke Pell, about what to do on set, what they are expecting etc. He didn’t count on the X factor, which was that Hannah was really into him, much more than he wanted or needed. Got taken by his pride. Imagine, the GOOD LIFE, travels and meals paid for and a girl that has the hots for him. Irresistible me think!

JMO

Astrobach wrote:

Jolena wrote:

Pattycake92 wrote:If Hannah is done with Jed, how tempted would she be to see Tyler? She could barely keep her hands off of him during their time on the show. There is no way I could deny that temptation but then again, I would never have sent him home in the first place.

I doubt very much she wanted to. I think she was guided by TPTB and not in her best interest. There must be something in their contract that states if the producers want and see a better edit & ending for ratings then the lead will abide by it as long as in the end she gets her/his happy ending. Just a thought but I wouldn't be surprised that it's in the contract somewhere with all the switches and drama filled endings we have seen . Jason/Melissa,Molly , Desiree/Chris,Brooks, Arie /Becca/Lauren just to name a few. JMO

To the bolded: Is this a speculation or based on legal knowledge of their contract? I may be naive but don’t think they would purposely ask her to choose the WRONG person, just for ratings sake. I hope, that their role doesn’t go to this degree of control. I can understand them PUSHING for an engagement even if there is hesitation or choosing someone no matter what, but we’ve seen that even those scenarios played out before, with Brad and Arie for instance. I am sure they are milking any drama that come their way but they have proven to be less than perceptive in their choices of contestants, including not vetting thoroughly many contestants.
I for one, do not believe for a second that they knew about Jed and his double timing until it’s was already too late ( meaning when filming was DONE) and that’s the reason why they pull a recap episode, mainly to re-edit Jed and Tyler’s presence on the screen.
JMO

I do not believe TPTB purposely ask the lead to make the WRONG choice, however they are very manipulative and can easily sway the lead/contestants to follow their script/story board.  Whisper little things in the leads ear...make them doubt...basically make them go crazy.  Welcome to the world of MF.  

Scott cheating wasn't left in the editing for nothing, imo.  Foreshadowing of what was to come...Jed.  Hannah kicked Scott to the curb for having a GF back home and now she is in the process of kicking Jed to the curb...for the same exact thing.  Coincidence?  I think not.  This show is ridiculous.  

Astrobach wrote:

sosleepy wrote:

Sharnee wrote:Jed’s history with women is long and dirty . He’s never learned even up to this year. Hope he learns after this year. There was no smear campaign against Jed. His past and present just collided imo.

He really, REALLY should have researched the show before he went on. A man with this many skeletons doesn’t last long before RS/rumor mill/Reddit/spoiler sites/tabloids sniff you out. The second he let himself into top 4 with that many things to hide, he was a dead man walking. He would have understood this if he took time to learn the show. Not smart. Had it coming though.

That’s why he wanted to get to F5!  And he learned just enough from James McA T and Luke Pell, about what to do on set, what they are expecting etc. He didn’t count on the X factor, which was that Hannah was really into him, much more than he wanted or needed. Got taken by his pride. Imagine, the GOOD LIFE, travels and meals paid for and a girl that has the hots for him. Irresistible me think!

JMO

Don’t forget , free room too

Oh my gosh, MY bad... !

Credit to boo_urns_is_taken posted this a Reddit and how it reminded them of Jed

Too good! Too true! Classic!

ETA: I Just saw Tyler smile so big for the 1st time in a while ...it’s good to see him happier...no more hiding or saying no to the camera. It’s on his Insta story after the run, eating ice cream!!!

I may be in the minority, but I really hope Tyler either takes the Bachelor gig if offered or decides to trust in fate & believe that the person meant for him will come at the right time. IMO Hannah clearly choosing two other guys over him, only ending things with them when they prove to be scum, is a giant glaring neon sign that she is not the one for him. I’ve said many times that any “switcheroo” in this case would vastly differ from Jason/Arie and I stand by that. IMO everyone deserves someone who realizes on their own that they don’t want to be apart from their person. Not someone who comes crawling back only after they are screwed over.

I mean, props to her for at least ending the engagement, but the fact that she’s still giving Jed a chance IMO shows that she still has feelings for Jed. Even after all that crap. That’s not a good sign for the existence of any undying love for Tyler.

I honestly would feel bad for Tyler if he decides to take her back, but my opinion, while I enjoy expressing it here, of course has no bearing on what happens/their lives. I do “ship” Arie/Lauren and enjoy their love story. I would not feel the same about T/H and would see the season as kind of sad, but hey, good luck to all whatever ends up happening




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Thanks @Sharnee! Finally a happy smiling Tyler tonight! No more hiding or saying ‘no’ to the camera...

There was so much content the other night and then yesterday as well I’m actually annoyed at Hannah and Tyler for not giving me anything right now . I need some breadcrumbs .