Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #5

The irony that Jed’s last post is a song he made about the Salmon jackets. Even post show he is still capitalizing and using the show for his music career. Jmo

Abda81864 wrote:The irony that Jed’s last post is a song he made about the Salmon jackets. Even post show he is still capitalizing and using the show for his music career. Jmo

Was this before Haley’s reveal when he wanted to release another demo ?

Longhornfan wrote:If Hannah did end up choosing Jed over Tyler, I can see Tyler coming to her defense over the SM shaming, but she isn't at a place in her life where she can even recognize what a real healthy relationship with someone is supposed to look like.  And I think that Tyler deserves so much better than a messed up version of Hannah.  She needs to take the time to work on herself and to figure who she is, because she truly is a "hot mess".  

And I hope that Tyler can continue to support her throughout the rest of this season - just as a friend.  I do think that he still cares deeply for her, but it is not his place to fix Hannah.  Only Hannah can do that.

It appears to me that Tyler has moved on now.  And I don't think that he is interested in being the next Bachelor either.

to the bolded.
I think a lot of people fall into an unhealthy dating pattern so there is no right or wrong to what’s happening for Hannah IMO. It’s all about figuring it out and changing to help yourself.
Agree that that takes some time and stepping back for downtime is productive. Not sure that the months while the show is airing is enough time for Hannah especially since each week she is reliving whatever is on screen.
Tyler does seem to have a good grasp of who he is so being with someone equally as “whole” would mean he has a “good picker”.

RS confirmed today he hasn’t heard anything negative about Tyler. He’s a freaking unicorn

^^ Just goes to show... if you treat people well (which I believe Tyler does, because he’s SHOWN us he does), you don’t need to worry about hurt and upset people running to RS and wherever else with stories. Truly that simple. What a concept.

sosleepy wrote:^^ Just goes to show... if you treat people well (which I believe Tyler does, because he’s SHOWN us he does), you don’t need to worry about hurt and upset people running to RS and wherever else with stories. Truly that simple. What a concept.

Exactly ! What do the girls who went to RS have to gain when they show him pics of their distasteful encounter with Jed but ask that they be private ? Then there’s Tyler . Proves where there is smoke there is fire and where there is no firewood , no fire cam be made . Simple comparison between Jed and Tyler . Jmo

alwayscooking wrote:As for Luke, yes, he's annoying AF, and maybe not the sharpest tool in the shed about relationships, but at least he was there for Hannah. I know the guys didn't like him, and it's basically been the Luke show, but I blame the producers for showing so much of him and not enough of the other guys. Yes, it took a long time for her to figure it out with Luke, but in the end, she did.
All JMO

I have to disagree with this part. While Jed is a calculated and cunning liar, Luke’s manipulations are instinctive and his lies compulsive. Add that to his rage issues, his toxic views on women and twisted religious beliefs, and you have the ultimate nightmare of a husband. I would fear for any woman who married him.
All JMO of course.

I think for me the difference is that Luke is what you see, is what you get. Ned was wearing a mask the entire time(that’s if he never told Hannah anything on the show) and Hannah fell for the masked version instead of the real version. Jmo

notarose wrote:

Longhornfan wrote:If Hannah did end up choosing Jed over Tyler, I can see Tyler coming to her defense over the SM shaming, but she isn't at a place in her life where she can even recognize what a real healthy relationship with someone is supposed to look like.  And I think that Tyler deserves so much better than a messed up version of Hannah.  She needs to take the time to work on herself and to figure who she is, because she truly is a "hot mess".  

And I hope that Tyler can continue to support her throughout the rest of this season - just as a friend.  I do think that he still cares deeply for her, but it is not his place to fix Hannah.  Only Hannah can do that.

It appears to me that Tyler has moved on now.  And I don't think that he is interested in being the next Bachelor either.

 to the bolded.
I think a lot of people fall into an unhealthy dating pattern so there is no right or wrong to what’s happening for Hannah IMO. It’s all about figuring it out and changing to help yourself.
Agree that that takes some time and stepping back for downtime is productive. Not sure that the months while the show is airing is enough time for Hannah especially since each week she is reliving whatever is on screen.
Tyler does seem to have a good grasp of who he is so being with someone equally as “whole” would mean he has a “good picker”.

The problem is Hannah thought that her past two boyfriends experiences were enough for her to have had opportunity to grow and be ready for marriage. I remember her interview with Nick Viall and she stressed those experiences as helping her grow and getting her ready for Bachelorette, which we all know and expect will end with an engagement and a potential marriage.

But having seen what we’ve seen so far, her jerk-dar is so way off. She still has this need to “fix” her men. During the build series interview, she said she was only going by what the guys tell her. She does not see what we see.. IMO, the producers may have even fed her info that kept her taking Luke all the way to overnights. It’s the first time ever there was no elimination after hometowns because the lead could not make a decision. It’s actually surprising that she still did not send Luke home after his reaction to the naked bungee jumping date. She had to wait until he brings up the sex talk when she should have sensed from the “your body is your temple” comment that he’s so self-righteous and controlling. That would have been an easy give away but she has a long leash on men she feels she can “fix.” She wanted Luke desperately to be F1 and cheating Jed was her fall back.

I still think Hannah is a decent human being but she needs some growing up to do. I think the hate she’s getting about her sexuality is misplaced because she is an adult and she can do whatever she wants. It’s just that when you do it on National TV, there are ramifications to be prepared for. Remember Kaitlyn and Andi? I thought they also got a lot of flack from sex aspects of their season but they sucked it up and did not preach the way Hannah did on her IG. So whatever she put out there, she should be prepared for how people would react. She needs to develop a thicker skin for that instead of berating the public as “evil.”

@sprite, you’re right in saying that at this point Tyler is not even sloppy seconds. He’s a sloppy third if Hannah goes back to him. At this point, I really don’t want her to go back to him because Tyler deserves better.

Hawaii Girl wrote:RS confirmed today he hasn’t heard anything negative about Tyler. He’s a freaking unicorn

To piggyback off of this, RS also confirmed that he heard Tyler was absolutely willing to propose to Hannah and would have done it if he were chosen. I’m guessing RS has maybe been in touch with a friend or family member of Tyler’s?

This is all so brutal. Hannah and Tyler.. what could have been

Jed was tweeting and commenting before the cheating scandal broke. He could definitely send a word of encouragement or defend Hannah without actually addressing the cheating if he wanted to. He just doesn’t want the backlash that’s coming for him. Again, putting himself above Hannah which is what he’s done since day 1. He had numerous opportunities to make this right but he never did. JMO

And then there’s Luke who tried to hijack this show and turn himself into the Lead with Hannah being the one who needed to meet his standards. She allowed this. This is on her and showed she allows herself to be manipulated by a man called Luke. Then after, enter Jed.
It’s sad that unproblematic Tyler was within her reach and she ends up with a guy whose closet is stuffed with skeletons and dirty laundry . Jmho