Colton Underwood - Episode Mar 4th - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

I don’t think my stance on it would be different if this were a female lead. Why would it be different? I don’t see a reason why it should be. I admit I may have rose colored glasses on here but let me tell you, I normally DO NOT! I’m cynical to a fault but I can see the romance in this and do I know of it will work in the long run? Nope. I sure hope it does but I don’t know.

I think the fact that he knows that he loves her, dumps the other two girls, knowing he could very well settle for either of them because of the format of the show, and decides to basically lay his heart and dignity on the line for her when she can’t reciprocate his feelings is just something....it’s something. I’m here for it and it’s something I’ve wanted to see on this stupid show for a long time. Real honesty. And I think she cares for him more than she even knows.

We will see how it plays out but I can honestly say, the lead being male or female holds no weight with me. If the love is there and they choose to chase after the one they love, I’m here to watch!

northernviewer wrote:

ReneeM wrote:Yeah I think the only way to make this romantic is if she comes back, and even then...yikes. If what RS said is correct and he really professes his love to her and throws away the engagement ending before she leaves, if she really says she loves him but is not *in*love with him, I’m just not seeing the romance in chasing her. I agree that he shouldn’t settle for someone else if that’s not what he truly wants but going after her seems... desperate and icky.

Doesn’t seem desperate and icky to me.  We don’t know the exact circumstances as of yet as to why he jumps the fence ... He’s mad and hurt about something that’s for sure.   But going after someone takes courage as the chance of rejection is there ... that would be humiliating...
But if care enough for someone to go and persue them ... that takes guts ...and very romantic from my point of view anyway ... and as I’ve mentioned before ,,, I’m a W network, Hallmark movie, Harlequin kinda girl... and love me a little chase to get the girl

Chasing after someone after they've rejected you and told you their feelings is neither brave nor romantic IMO and I can confidently say this as someone who's been in Cassie's shoes (albeit not on tv). I tried to breakup with my ex because I just didn't want to be in the relationship, but I'm terrible at breaking up wth people so I came up with a bunch of excuses as to why I wanted to breakup. He was relentless in trying to convince me to stay in the relationship though, and I did, not because I actually was convinced that I wanted the relationship after all, but because it just felt like I couldn't say no. Eventually it fizzled out because as Colton will come to realize, you can't make someone love and want to be with you no matter how hard you try.

northernviewer wrote:

ReneeM wrote:Yeah I think the only way to make this romantic is if she comes back, and even then...yikes. If what RS said is correct and he really professes his love to her and throws away the engagement ending before she leaves, if she really says she loves him but is not *in*love with him, I’m just not seeing the romance in chasing her. I agree that he shouldn’t settle for someone else if that’s not what he truly wants but going after her seems... desperate and icky.

Doesn’t seem desperate and icky to me.  We don’t know the exact circumstances as of yet as to why he jumps the fence ... He’s mad and hurt about something that’s for sure.   But going after someone takes courage as the chance of rejection is there ... that would be humiliating...
But if care enough for someone to go and persue them ... that takes guts ...and very romantic from my point of view anyway ... and as I’ve mentioned before ,,, I’m a W network, Hallmark movie, Harlequin kinda girl... and love me a little chase to get the girl

Me either. Still romantic. If the spoilers are correct about it being hard for her to leave, obviously she cares about him and Colton felt it, why he went after her. Him following his gut will play a part in the end. I keep seeing her in my mind looking back in the car. Seems like she's happy with Colton now from her IG.

ReneeM wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

ReneeM wrote:Yeah I think the only way to make this romantic is if she comes back, and even then...yikes. If what RS said is correct and he really professes his love to her and throws away the engagement ending before she leaves, if she really says she loves him but is not *in*love with him, I’m just not seeing the romance in chasing her. I agree that he shouldn’t settle for someone else if that’s not what he truly wants but going after her seems... desperate and icky.

Doesn’t seem desperate and icky to me.  We don’t know the exact circumstances as of yet as to why he jumps the fence ... He’s mad and hurt about something that’s for sure.   But going after someone takes courage as the chance of rejection is there ... that would be humiliating...
But if care enough for someone to go and persue them ... that takes guts ...and very romantic from my point of view anyway ... and as I’ve mentioned before ,,, I’m a W network, Hallmark movie, Harlequin kinda girl... and love me a little chase to get the girl

Chasing after someone after they've rejected you and told you their feelings is neither brave nor romantic IMO and I can confidently say this as someone who's been in Cassie's shoes (albeit not on tv). I tried to breakup with my ex because I just didn't want to be in the relationship, but I'm terrible at breaking up wth people so I came up with a bunch of excuses as to why I wanted to breakup. He was relentless in trying to convince me to stay in the relationship though, and I did, not because I actually was convinced that I wanted the relationship after all, but because it just felt like I couldn't say no. Eventually it fizzled out because as Colton will come to realize, you can't make someone love and want to be with you no matter how hard you try.

I totally understand where you’re coming from and that had to be a terrible experience. What we have seen though so far is that’s Cassie does care deeply for him. She isn’t trying to break up with him because she just wants out. It was spoiled she leaves because she doesn’t want him to settle for her because she can’t give him an engagement.

ReneeM wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

ReneeM wrote:Yeah I think the only way to make this romantic is if she comes back, and even then...yikes. If what RS said is correct and he really professes his love to her and throws away the engagement ending before she leaves, if she really says she loves him but is not *in*love with him, I’m just not seeing the romance in chasing her. I agree that he shouldn’t settle for someone else if that’s not what he truly wants but going after her seems... desperate and icky.

Doesn’t seem desperate and icky to me.  We don’t know the exact circumstances as of yet as to why he jumps the fence ... He’s mad and hurt about something that’s for sure.   But going after someone takes courage as the chance of rejection is there ... that would be humiliating...
But if care enough for someone to go and persue them ... that takes guts ...and very romantic from my point of view anyway ... and as I’ve mentioned before ,,, I’m a W network, Hallmark movie, Harlequin kinda girl... and love me a little chase to get the girl

Chasing after someone after they've rejected you and told you their feelings is neither brave nor romantic IMO and I can confidently say this as someone who's been in Cassie's shoes (albeit not on tv). I tried to breakup with my ex because I just didn't want to be in the relationship, but I'm terrible at breaking up wth people so I came up with a bunch of excuses as to why I wanted to breakup. He was relentless in trying to convince me to stay in the relationship though, and I did, not because I actually was convinced that I wanted the relationship after all, but because it just felt like I couldn't say no. Eventually it fizzled out because as Colton will come to realize, you can't make someone love and want to be with you no matter how hard you try.

Well I guess Evan and I can't think of her name right now that was on BIP would beg the difference since they're married and has a child together. I know some people personally that didn't give up. Some may think they don't care but something happens to help them realize they do.

Julie81 wrote:I totally understand where you’re coming from and that had to be a terrible experience. What we have seen though so far is that’s Cassie does care deeply for him. She isn’t trying to break up with him because she just wants out. It was spoiled she leaves because she doesn’t want him to settle for her because she can’t  give him an engagement.

& I guess that's where our difference of opinion on this comes from, it seems like you're taking Cassie at her word, while I think she's just making excuses because deep down she doesn't want to be with him but doesn't know how to express that.

@ReneeM

Yeah, the "I just really want you to have the engagement you wanted (even though you're literally telling me right now that you don't want an engagement unless it's with me)" is the new "it's not you, it's me". Or the "I just can't bear to keep you away from your child, so I have to send you home". It's just a nice way of saying "not interested!". 

IMO.

ReneeM wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

ReneeM wrote:Yeah I think the only way to make this romantic is if she comes back, and even then...yikes. If what RS said is correct and he really professes his love to her and throws away the engagement ending before she leaves, if she really says she loves him but is not *in*love with him, I’m just not seeing the romance in chasing her. I agree that he shouldn’t settle for someone else if that’s not what he truly wants but going after her seems... desperate and icky.

Doesn’t seem desperate and icky to me.  We don’t know the exact circumstances as of yet as to why he jumps the fence ... He’s mad and hurt about something that’s for sure.   But going after someone takes courage as the chance of rejection is there ... that would be humiliating...
But if care enough for someone to go and persue them ... that takes guts ...and very romantic from my point of view anyway ... and as I’ve mentioned before ,,, I’m a W network, Hallmark movie, Harlequin kinda girl... and love me a little chase to get the girl

Chasing after someone after they've rejected you and told you their feelings is neither brave nor romantic IMO and I can confidently say this as someone who's been in Cassie's shoes (albeit not on tv). I tried to breakup with my ex because I just didn't want to be in the relationship, but I'm terrible at breaking up wth people so I came up with a bunch of excuses as to why I wanted to breakup. He was relentless in trying to convince me to stay in the relationship though, and I did, not because I actually was convinced that I wanted the relationship after all, but because it just felt like I couldn't say no. Eventually it fizzled out because as Colton will come to realize, you can't make someone love and want to be with you no matter how hard you try.

Sounds like you were legitimately didn’t like a guy and wanted to break up with him ... apples and oranges to what’s going on here. We don’t know what happens to cause her to leave ... him to jump the fence...at this point .. but what we do know is that she spoke to parents and sister about how much she cared for him even though she may not be ready for an engagement... we see in footage minutes before the “breakup” they’re making out on a bed .. That’s not usually a precursor to breaking up for the usual reasons him going after her IMO will be seen by the majority of viewers as romantic

We can debate until the cow comes home and not everyone will agree, so, for sleuthing sake, all I want is the preview for FD. I want to see if Cassie is wearing the pink or the black dress! Is that too much to ask?

@ReneeM but... who has really interacted and experienced everything with her... besides Colton? He's the one who should have the most valid reasoning since he's the one who's had an unedited interaction with her.

So the only person to really understand if she's worth it is him, and the fact that he feels she will reciprocate the feeling is more valid than our opinions on what we see in a few minutes of edited, frankenbyte video and audio.

northernviewer wrote:When watching the preview ... I think he lets Hannah and Tayshia go that very night ... Hannah is wearing jeans and a red top that’s walking and maybe worried about the commotion of Colton jumping the fence ... we see him still in his coat bring her by the hand into a room to talk to her ... then we see him hug Taysha ... I think he tells them both then and there that he’s done filming the rest of season and let’s,them go.   I personally don’t think tptb are mad about this turn of  events at all... it’s drama .... it’s different and they got some raw emotional footage ... Pure gold .... they’ve been playing up the fence jump all season ... they’re loving it ...especially if Colton and Cassie are dating now .... thEy couldn’t have orchestrated a better ending that this

Just FYI: He jumps the gate at the fantasy suite site. The scenes with Hannah are at the hotel where the girls are staying.

avacaroline wrote:

northernviewer wrote:When watching the preview ... I think he lets Hannah and Tayshia go that very night ... Hannah is wearing jeans and a red top that’s walking and maybe worried about the commotion of Colton jumping the fence ... we see him still in his coat bring her by the hand into a room to talk to her ... then we see him hug Taysha ... I think he tells them both then and there that he’s done filming the rest of season and let’s,them go.   I personally don’t think tptb are mad about this turn of  events at all... it’s drama .... it’s different and they got some raw emotional footage ... Pure gold .... they’ve been playing up the fence jump all season ... they’re loving it ...especially if Colton and Cassie are dating now .... thEy couldn’t have orchestrated a better ending that this

Just FYI:  He jumps the gate at the fantasy suite site. The scenes with Hannah are at the hotel where the girls are staying.  

Do you know the diisstance between the two places.? Hannah couild have just been alerted by producers that Colton was gone .. don’t know ... but I think it all happens on that fateful night.