Bachelorette Russia - Olga Buzova - Episodes - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

sdmom wrote:@natik do you think the producers “encourage” her to keep Sasha?
It happens in US so I don’t know if it’s common in international Bach shows.

Yes I have that suspicion especially after watching episode 4. It happens in Ukrainian and Russian shows as well. My theory is they encouraged her because of the young female viewers. I guess they needed an eye candy for the teen girls. He is doing nothing for her, literally nothing and it didn`t changed in episode 4. He simple doesn`t bother he failed miserable during the competition with chopping wood. I mean I was crying of laughter because he was that bad. In comparison to Denis, Valja and Evgeny (the big one). I mean Denis broke his ax so he started to chop wood with his hands (he already chopped two pieces of the wood with his hands), that`s what I call dedication. Marina stopped the competition because of it. That was her too risky because of the possible injuries.
Sasha is what we tell not fish, not meat. He is not interested in her otherwise he would act different. he would try to catch her attention or to ask her to speak in private. She came to visit them in their mansion and he was sitting there mumbling something while Denis just stole her for a private talk. And later still nothing she invited him for a talk he was sugar talking her with his player lines and she bought it.
I mean it´s kinda not logical because just at the same day she sent a guy home in the middle of the date because she felt that he was not interested in her. So the question is why is Sasha still there? He has done even lesser than that guy who she sent home.

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Let us begin with fencing.

Marina welcomes the guys in Verona and is talking the whole time about the love story of Romeo and Juliette and everyone expects to see on the balcony Olga but instead we see Sasha (blue eyes) appear.

Of course most of them were`t happy to see him. Evgeny said in his ITM that he thought Sasha will not be back. He also thought that it´s kinda not fair because Sasha missed some things and got a free pass to be in Verona.
Evgeny told that Sasha appeared in a cocky manner like a king.

Marina explained once again the rules what they have to do when they want to go on a date with Olga. They need to win the competition. The competition is fencing, you know Verona, Romeo and Juliette, Shakespeare so it fits the theme.

They got an coach who gave him some instructions and then they put on the uniform. Alex (the bald one) was too big and didn´t fit into the uniform. So out he couldn`t take part in the competition.

Olga entered the room asked Alex (the bald one) what is happened, why he is not dressed and he explained the thing with the uniform. Then she counted that there is one person more among the guys. Marina explained to Olga that the man who she waited for joined them. She said that she probably never in her life waited for a man such a long time and that Sasha should step forward to her.

Sasha ITM: Olga is interested in the conversation with me so I think we need to talk more to each other.

So Sasha is stepping forward and repeating his classic mistake from the first meeting. He wanted to kiss her on the cheek and she leaned back from him.

Guys were obviously happy to see that.

She asked him why he wasn`t in Venice and he answered that they were some circumstances but he wants to tell her about it in private.

Olga ITM: I was very happy to see him. And he has really beautiful eyes you can drawn in them.

Then she whispered to him: „If you will not win today I am going to be very disappointed.

Sasha: I understand.

They started the competition.

First pair was Evgeny (the big one) and Andrej. Andrej won.

Evgeny (the big one) ITM: Yes I lost and I need to acknowledge it like a man and don´t cry like a girl.

Next Evgeny$$ and Sergej. Evgeny$$ won.

Next pair: Valja and Sasha (blue eyes).

Andrej said in his ITM that it was brutally.

Olga said in her ITM that you can felt the tension and the will to win it.

The funny thing is she didn`t paid attention on their backs so she really thought that the guy who was fighting with so much power was Sasha. So she was unpleasant surprised that Sasha lost.

She said: „Well if he lost then the will power was not there to win. So he didn´t wanted to win badly at any cost. It is that simple.“

Next pair Jean and Denis. Denis won. That was fast.

Valja ITM: Well Jean is a model so do I have to say more?!

So four lost and four won.

Sergej ITM: Those people with whom Olga wanted to go most on the date all lost.

Now the 1/2 Finale.

First Evgeny$$ and Andrej. Evgeny$$ won.

Next Valja and Denis. Denis won.

The Finale: Evgeny$$ and Denis.

Olga ITM: I was surprised to see in the finale to fight for me Denis and Evgeny$$. Two men who were under a big question mark on the last ceremony.

Marina: Olga who are you rooting for?

Olga: He is not among them.

Marina: But out of those two men who are you rooting for.

Olga: For nobody. I am rooting for the one who wants it the most.

Evgeny$$ didn´t liked her motivation speech at all.

Denis didn`t cared about it he wanted to win the date.

They are handshaking before the fight and Olga says: I would have pricked now. And Marina is joking: „And went with herself on a date.“

Denis won.

Olga to Denis: I am happy really.

Denis: I gave my best.

Olga: I really want to know you better.

Next Olga said that she found that situation with Alex (the bald one) unfair so she decided to give him a date. Of course he didn´t say no to that. He said in the end he is happy about that uniform thing because that way he kinda have stolen some time with Olga.

Translation until 22:15.

Episode 4

Olga crying over BB Sasha and the gift he gave her. Thankfully we are taken to the guys riding mopeds and Denis killing himself laughing as one of the guys crashed. And when they are greeting Marina, BB Sasha arrives riding a bike. Nobody looks too pleased.

@Natik What were the guys talking about while they were sitting under those trees? I thought big Evgeny was going over to slug/intimidate BB Sasha when he got off his moped. And what was the big discussion about when Marina stopped the wood chopping competition? The bald Sasha seemed to be complaining about something and then Valja seemed upset?

I was surprised that Olga wasn't there for all that wood chopping. She seems to like when the guys get physical.

How did big Evgeny end up with the date? I thought it looked as if Valja had the most cut wood? Poor guy didn't even fit in that car...I think it was a Citroen. Either way, she had her arms crossed and didn't seem into the date. Very different from the date with Denis. What was she saying to him when they were on the horses? When he got off and was coming toward her, she kept backing up. Not good body language. He was p*ssed! I can see that he is charming when he wants to be and things are going his way, but I can see him being very aggressive if they are not....or if he has been drinking like he alluded to when he told her about the cheating. I think she even said that he was grubi...ugly when he was mad. Yikes.

What were they all talking about with Olga's ex boyfriend? And what was going on with Valja? What did the ex tell her about the guys?

When Olga came into the room Denis' eyes just lit up! He is really into her....way more than any of the others. What did Olga tell them? They all seemed very serious and listening intently. Then of course, Denis brings her flowers. Bit of an a** kisser is our Denis, but it seemed to lighten the mood. Where the guys surprised that she sent big E home from the date?

She really does not want Evgeny$$ touching her. There were several times when she pulled away from him. Very awkward and deflating for the poor guy. She is just not into you!

Denis pulls her aside and I can see she is smiling just saying his name. She lets him hold her hand and give her a kiss on the cheek. Valja comes and interrupts and she is practically rolling her eyes. I think she wanted more time with Denis.

Evgeny gives her a kobasa...sausage.    So different from the American version where they give fancy clothes, jewels, shoes. She still doesn't care. He kept asking her something and she kept saying no. What was he asking?

I was surprised at how uninterested she seemed in Sasha. Not that he seemed all that interested in her either, although he went in for the hug and she let him. What did they talk about? She seemed to get more animated as they spoke and particularly in her ITM.

What were they laughing about with Valja? when Denis gave him a hug? and then later when they were talking together?

What did she say to BB Sasha during the ceremony? She didn't seem all that thrilled, unlike when she called Denis and was grinning from ear to ear.

And she was handing out glasses of wine rather than roses or a kiss. Odd. It took me a bit to catch on that she was giving them out and they weren't just drinking.

She showed more emotion letting bald Sasha go that she did for all of them...except Denis. She seemed really fond of the big guy.

At the end there, there was Denis again with another bunch of flowers. He left so quickly after she went up the stairs. Did he go catch her again? And what were Valja and Sergei saying there at the end? They must be able to see how different she is with Denis than the rest of them.

So there are only five of them left:

BB Sasha -- She is attracted to him physically because she keeps saying how prekrasan he is...I don't see it personally... but I don't think she trusts him and I'm not even sure she actually likes him.

Valja -- He interests her I think, but I don't really see anything there.

Sergei -- Why is he still even there? She could care less and frankly he doesn't seem all that into her either.

Evgeny -- No need for the $$ anymore. She really, really isn't into him. I don't know why she didn't send him home since it is clear she liked the big Sasha way more than him.

Denis -- I don't think it could be any clearer that he is the one she is into. She smiles when she sees him. She smiles just saying his name. Their date and their time together is just so different than with any of the others. Something drastic would have to happen in the next few episodes for him not to be F1.

Sorry I have so many questions. No hurries. Thank you again for doing all you do for us here and introducing us to Olga and her "journey".

Thanks @Sprite you made many similar comments to what I have in my notes... I hope @natik will fill the blanks in when she can.

Here is the Evgeny ( tattoo man) date...

The morning after, Marina is saying that Evgeny will have his date with Olga. He goes by the pool where the men are playing around and they say goodbye, good luck.
He is barely fitting in the tiny 2CV ( a very small clumsy car, popular in the countryside) and Olga laughs when she sees him come in to get her. ITM ...

She keeps her distance and no hug or kiss for him. She holds his hands in hers extended in front of her making a good gap between them.
Once in the car, they laugh because it’s so snug and clunky. Her body language is very guarded, arms crossed and he then stops on the side of the road and gives her an envelope to open.
I think it says Olga and something else...
She seems happy...then the radio is playing a song... it’s one of her song..she dances a little and sings, but in her ITM doesn’t look so happy...Arriving at destination, again he makes her choose between 2 envelopes...she is standing at arms length again with arms crossed. She chooses one but look at the other, they laugh.
Next they are on a beautiful path, riding horses, with a handler for each horse. They talk and then he stops again and presents 2 more envelopes to her. And at that moment the energy totally changes and she looks very serious. He asks her to choose and she refuses. She seems unhappy and maybe thinks he is not taking this seriously. ( I hear some word like serious) anyway, she stays on her horse but talks to him with a very stern, disappointed tone, and in the ITM she explains...

Oh the body language is not good. She takes off from the horse by herself, seems pissed, then as he comes closer to her, she literally backs away from him...He tries to win his case, but she’s respond with tears in her voice, and backing up...and in the ITM she does a big cross in front of her, like NO, He comes to her and still talks and pleads or explains...but she is always crossing her arms, very protected. They argue, talk over each other...wow, it’s like a real fight between a couple. She is close to tears, you can tell she feels hurt, and all I hear is «  absolut niet seriousness » .
She is very hurt and leaves him, he tears down the envelopes as she tells him something ( maybe don’t come to the ceremony?) and leaves him there. She walks in the field and gets to a pretty set up with a table and a parasol where 2 musicians playing guitar are serenading a Russian song. She is alone contemplating and crying.
We see a review of how she met him and their moments together.

@Sprite @Astrobach Ladies my respect such a pleasure to read you! Thank you!

I got back home from a birthday party and wanted to leave a comment and write first about two things. The first one is the date with Evgeny and the second one about Sasha.

@Sprite You observed it on point and I am gonna write more tomorrow regarding your observations.

So first thing what happened on that date. She didn’t felt comfortable with him. She already told him on the ceremony in episode 3 that she doesn’t feel the connection between them and by going on that date with him she wanted to give it a try.
He organized that day in a playful way. He called it himself a game. So he had cards and she should choose. At a point he was overdoing it. She put two and two together and asked him if he is a player. Because let us remember two marrieges and cheated on his ex-wife. She said that it feels like he is all in that cards. He gave up a vibe of someone who is cold. And she tried to go on with the date but couldn’t anymore. So she stopped that game with the cards and said to him that it´s the best to stop that theater. She said that she doesn’t want to lie to him or herself and that it doesn’t work for her. She said she is feeling it in every single way that he is not interested in her and she is not interested to continue with the date with someone who doesn’t want to be there with her. Of course he declined it and they started to argue. Her body language spoke volumes. I wrote about it already in episode 2. It seemed to me like she is not trusting him, like she is even a little bit scared of him. And he came off at one point almost aggressive. It looked like she wanted away from him as soon as possible. he tried to rescue his skin and wanted to talk her into that date and that he wrote a second poem but that was it for her. She was done. She said to him that it’s the best for him to fly back to Moscow.

And here is one more interesting part. When they started to argue the heat was on and she let it slipped about her date with Denis. So basically it seems like she compared him to Denis already in her mind.
I thought at that moment, and it’s not a spoiler just my personal opinion now, that it’s done. It’s game over because during her date with Evgeny in her mind she probably thought „Denis would have done that“ or „Denis would have said that“. From that moment on she will probably compare all the other men with Denis. And of course they would fail in her eyes because it’s obvious that she is falling for Denis. IMO

She is so different around Denis. She is like a teenage girl. Giddy and playful, relaxed and also kinda vulnerable.

Regarding Sasha, yes she doesn’t trust him and she is starting to cool off. There is a reason why she doesn’t trust him. I mentioned that the producers allowed the men use social media during the filming. So apparently Sasha liking and following during that time a bunch of pretty women on IG. And someone told Olga about that. She said on the ceremony that she is not ok with that because she can’t understand how a man who is on the project to fight for her can at the same time kinda lusting after other women. His excursion was that because of his „job“ he needs to do that. And he answered that they will find a way to make an arrangement regarding it. Olga answered that you will find a way I don’t want to make an arrangement with that.

Gonna post more tomorrow!

Thanks @Natik. Can't wait to hear more.

Did they actually show someone telling her about Sasha or was that done off camera?

Oh. Lordie! @natik thanks for all the new info!
Now I think I will go back and watch that date with him again to see if I can spot that slip about Denis.
With the smaller number of men remaining, the competition will become more fierce and more real. She will start questioning how she sees herself with each guy, and so far, Denis is a front runner...
I can’t believe the BS this Sasha is spewing and expect to get away with it. Next one to go hopefully...
Ok, beautiful ! Be well...

ladies, great discussions & really well done dear @natik for the translations.

RL work has been quite demanding so just finally caught up with Episode 2. I read all your comments only up to Episode 2 as well so i can get your thoughts on what has transpired.

My thoughts are probably extinct now regarding Episode 2 as there might be new developments post Episode 3. In any case, I loved getting to see softer sides to a few of the guys i overlooked like Big Sasha & Big Evgeny. As already posted, I think Big Sasha as of that point was genuine about her. Big Evgeny definitely knows how to woo women but his ITMs are gold plus him calling the twins out on not passing Olga’s test at the rose ceremony was hilarious. I didn’t mind Serghei’s presentation, yeah he does the same for a living but it was something that was still about Olga versus giving her flowers. Jean Michelle’s massage was also a great idea.

Olga lost it at that Rose Ceremony but I do agree that she is not fake, appreciate her rawness. She is such a boss lady but based on her background that natik shared, I kinda don’t blame her especially since she has been burned by men in the past. With regards to her coming across as wishy washy by allowing some guys to touch her vs others, I think she expects that the guys read her and sense that she is giving them the opening before they make any advances.

Thanks to Evgeny $$$$ and his expresssions, I knew that RC was dramatic even before I read the translations Denis was also hilarious at the end of that rose ceremony. What a man   He really stayed cool during that Olga meltdown. I still don’t understand what he did to warrant her outburst. She was telling him to keep quiet & listen more, yet him and Valentin come across to me as the most quiet of the group. Valentin is also a mystery to me in a good way, wonder how long he will last.

I can’t wait to see what my bad boy Sasha is up to in Episode 3. @natik, Sasha rebutted all the rumors going on about him being a player on his SM. For his birthday, some of the guys sent him birthday wishes which he posted on his IG story. I wonder if he will address why he was a no show on Episode 2. IMO the producers knew beforehand he was not going to show up, maybe they even story boarded it since they knew he would be a front runner to start out & wanted Olga to come across fixated on him vs the other guys (yeah I dont’t trust producers   )

On a different note, Marina is totally rocking it as the host of the show IMO; she puts Chris Harrison (the US series show host) to shame for real IMO. And if there is going to be a second series, if Marina is single, i would totally want her as the Bette  

I will catch up with you all again after I finish Episode 3, I will for sure get to it, but will be playing catch up for sure on the conversations. Really looking forward to Ms Olga Busova letting go & falling for her guy

Oh. Yeah! Thanks for joining the gang here, @mercieme!

You will LOVE episode 3 ...get ready...! Remember that the men are planning the dates themselves with the help of producers...so you can see a lot by the choices they are making.
Marina is much more present then CH for sure and it’s another aspect of the show that works well I think.
Go and enjoy!

Sprite wrote:Thanks @Natik. Can't wait to hear more.

Did they actually show someone telling her about Sasha or was that done off camera?

It was done off camera. She only said on the ceremony that she knows about the likings and the following of a bunch of women on Sasha`s IG.

mercieme wrote: ladies, great discussions & really well done dear @natik for the translations.

RL work has been quite demanding so just finally caught up with Episode 2. I read all your comments only up to Episode 2 as well so i can get your thoughts on what has transpired.

My thoughts are probably extinct now regarding Episode 2 as there might be new developments post Episode 3. In any case, I loved getting to see softer sides to a few of the guys i overlooked like Big Sasha & Big Evgeny. As already posted, I think Big Sasha as of that point was genuine about her. Big Evgeny definitely knows how to woo women but his ITMs are gold plus him calling the twins out on not passing Olga’s test at the rose ceremony was hilarious. I didn’t mind Serghei’s presentation, yeah he does the same for a living but it was something that was still about Olga versus giving her flowers. Jean Michelle’s massage was also a great idea.

Olga lost it at that Rose Ceremony but I do agree that she is not fake, appreciate her rawness. She is such a boss lady but based on her background that natik shared, I kinda don’t blame her especially since she has been burned by men in the past. With regards to her coming across as wishy washy by allowing some guys to touch her vs others, I think she expects that the guys read her and sense that she is giving them the opening before they make any advances.

Thanks to Evgeny $$$$ and his expresssions, I knew that RC was dramatic even before I read the translations Denis was also hilarious at the end of that rose ceremony. What a man   He really stayed cool during that Olga meltdown. I still don’t understand what he did to warrant her outburst. She was telling him to keep quiet & listen more, yet him and Valentin come across to me as the most quiet of the group. Valentin is also a mystery to me in a good way, wonder how long he will last.

I can’t wait to see what my bad boy Sasha is up to in Episode 3. @natik, Sasha rebutted all the rumors going on about him being a player on his SM. For his birthday, some of the guys sent him birthday wishes which he posted on his IG story. I wonder if he will address why he was a no show on Episode 2. IMO the producers knew beforehand he was not going to show up, maybe they even story boarded it since they knew he would be a front runner to start out & wanted Olga to come across fixated on him vs the other guys (yeah I dont’t trust producers   )

On a different note, Marina is totally rocking it as the host of the show IMO; she puts Chris Harrison (the US series show host) to shame for real IMO. And if there is going to be a second series, if Marina is single, i would totally want her as the Bette  

I will catch up with you all again after I finish Episode 3, I will for sure get to it, but will be playing catch up for sure on the conversations. Really looking forward to Ms Olga Busova letting go & falling for her guy

Hey sweetheart! Yes finally you posted something. I`ve waited for it and thought that you might lost interest. Soo I am really happy to read your post. Love it! So don´t disappear please

Yes the ITM`s of Big Evgeny are hilarious. I love his ITM`s they are witty and he is charming in them for sure.

About Sergej it is sure more personal than just to give her flowers but it came across too manipulative for my taste. All what he needed to do is just to replace the names in the text as he used that text during weddings he hosted. I mean it´s just a basic text. IMO

With regards to her coming across as wishy washy by allowing some guys to touch her vs others, I think she expects that the guys read her and sense that she is giving them the opening before they make any advances.

This quotes is gold. I think so as well. She is always repeating that she wants to be heard and that she wants that the men are feeling her.

Evgeny$$ and his open mouth during that ceremony was something legendary. I mean no words needed his expression said it all.

Denis is such a troll. I mean he is trolling her but in a gentle way. But that guy has guts for sure. Yeah nobody understood her outburst regarding Denis. That`s still a mystery.

Regarding Sasha I have already wrote about his attempt to save his face and it´s a natural thing but you can´t make go away the videos and pics of him naked with different women while being intimate. And they really are from his blog and I know even more about it but I just don´t want to blow up that story even more because we are here to watch and discuss the project and not his blog. Of course he is friends with some of the guys but I can tell you also what is happening now between Valja and Sasha. There is a war going on between those two. They write on their IG`s by far not the nicest things about each other. Basically Valja has no respect for Sasha because of how he is treating women. Valja thinks that Sasha has no principles. They are dissing each other. Plus it is too much of Sasha on IG. He is basically everywhere. He comments on nearly every post at nearly every IG account about the show. If there is something about Sasha it´s almost certain that you will find his comments under it. He is practically too active for my taste.

Marina is hilarious watch out for her facial expressions it´s entertainment pure and she her jokes are on point.

Before to start the ceremony in episode 4 she said "and who Olga is going to kiss today at the ceremony will decide Denis Lebedev."

Or when Olga appeared she said "Yeah I know Denis it is too bad that you need to stay over there in the line otherwise I bet you would have been near Olga in a second."

I am gonna disappoint you but Marina is in a happy marriage for four years now.

Can`t wait to read your thoughts about episode 3.

@natik Thanks for all the great info again.
l Have watched the 4th and have of course many questions and here are some of them...

@ 40:00 Question about what was said with Timothy : at one point Evgeny$ talks to T and he alluded to something money, or millionaire, finances etc. which Walja picks up in An ITM and choose to seal his lips, like he knows something but is choosing to stay silent.

Later in when Olga is in the room with the men, Denis takes her outside and somehow, Walja decides to go and interrupt their private time and gets her to come back inside....? Why?

She also gets to sit with Sasha ( in front of the fireplace) and he tries to get her close to her, they have a hug but what else is their conversation?

At the end when she is talking to the men and she asks a question to Walja and he replies ‘Denis’ what is that and what’s Denis and Olga say ...?
And you mentioned the IG likes from Sasha, did it come up at the end of the 4th episode or later? I saw that Denis has a IG POST WITH Grinev today.... wonder why?