Vanessa Grimaldi & Josh Wolf - Bachelor 21 - Discussion

coolangel wrote:I personally don't think Nick lead her on or used her. Frankly, I don't even understand how those terms relate in an engagement. Did he tell her on the show he would be willing to move to Canada for her? No as far as I remember. Even as a fan, I knew Nick wasn't going to move and their best bet was New York. Vanessa knew this and chose to get engaged so I am not sure how he led her on IMO. And I don't want to put the onus of this on Vanessa but she was the one to come on an American show, not the other way around.  

As for using her, I don't get how one is using the other in a Bachelor engagement. If anything, both the parties are gaining something and this holds true even for couples who are still together IMO. If Nick gained Vanessa's support during DWTS, Vanessa gained a huge platform for 'No Better You' which wouldn't have been the case had she been a middle-of-the-pack eliminee.

IMO It's always tempting to put the blame on the other person during a breakup to make ourselves feel better but rarely is a breakup one person's fault unless someone cheats or is physically/verbally abusive IMO. IMO N/V's breakup seems to be the run-of-the-mill breakup due to incompatibility and personality differences IMO. I like them both and want to continue liking them both so I hope they don't resort to playing the victim and the blame game.

All JMO

whit90 wrote:

singanewsong wrote:

whit90 wrote:IMO I think it is pretty immature of Vanessa to tweet what she did , liking post that shades , and starting following Jen. I really thought she was above this but maybe some of what some have said about her is true. All I see is Nick went to one of his best friends wedding which he had no control over who else was invited. He had a great time and looked very happy for Sharleen and Andy. He probably spent most of his time with Chris imo and left alone. I really liked Vanessa but have lost some respect for her. I know she is hurting but that is no excuse for the shade she is giving Nick. He would never imo do that to her . JMO

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Now there is Vanessa who was engaged to Nick gave up everything for him for love and marriage to end up with a guy who has commitment issues - (he told Andi a day after his first engagement he knew something wasn't right.)

 Vanessa liking a few tweets is amateur hour compared to Nick the professional love victim.

As I stated this was my opinion and I have every right to it even if others disagree. I am not going to go into what happened between Andi and Nick this is Vanessa thread.  I understand that both are probably hurting right now . I also said I do not think that Nick will shade Vanessa because I truly believe he has a great amount of respect for her and loves her. I just think the timing of this is wrong. All Nick did was go to one of his best friends wedding looking very happy and good. I do not think he should of stayed at home because Vanessa would see him happy. They both need to move on and enjoy their lifes. I just do not see the need of Vanessa shade toward him and all of a sudden following Jen. I just think it is immature at this time and I really thought she was above this. I still like Vanessa but like I stated lost a little respect for her. I truly hope the best for both. 
JMO IMO

Brill wrote:I don't know what happened or who's fault it was, if any, but I have to say if the break up didn't initiate with her then she will be hurting a lot!!  I'm not going to jump on any band wagon that wants her to be this prim and proper lady and just suck it up and show what a sweetheart she is.   I'm sure at some point she will turn the corner and maybe be, what some think she should be.  In the mean time IMO she has my vote for getting him out of her system.

Way back, many moons ago, I was Vanessa and it hurts like heck especially if it wasn't your idea.  She just needs time.  Time heals all wounds.  Now I'm not blaming Nick but let's be real, he never had to do much to change his life for her and I'm sure right now she resents that she did as much as she did do.  She gave up a lot to try and work on their relationship.  Let's just say I feel for her and know exactly what she is going through. :broken heart:  JMO  
Vanessa I am one fan who really feels for you.:yougogirl:   Just remember when one door closes another one opens.  

whit90 wrote:@Skates I never said that Nick was not in the wrong . I just stated that he shouldn't feel quilty going to one of his best friends wedding.  Nick does not follow Jen anymore. I guess I was just shocked when I read the tweets this morning. I have always rooted for this couple and it made me very sad when they announced their split. I like Vanessa but I will always be Team Nick. I truly feel for both of them because I think they are hurting maybe more Vanessa than him. I do think that they truly did love each other and gave it their best shot. I think at the end they both probably realized they wanted different things in life. I wish both of them the best and hope one day they can find that person who fulfills their needs and wants. JMO

Jane781 wrote:I think the first bump is 100 percent shade. No questions. Which would lead me to believe the other stuff is as well. Vanessa is well aware people are watching her right now and will read into everything. My main issue with it all is the contradiction between their joint statement and her statements to People with the statement fist bumping Jen makes. Speak your truth if that's what you want to do, but don't say one thing and then hint at another. JMO.  

And while on one hand it seems unlikely that it's related to anything from last night, the timing of the blocking and the tweets sure is coincidental.

happydays wrote:

Jane781 wrote:I think the first bump is 100 percent shade. No questions. Which would lead me to believe the other stuff is as well. Vanessa is well aware people are watching her right now and will read into everything. My main issue with it all is the contradiction between their joint statement and her statements to People with the statement fist bumping Jen makes. Speak your truth if that's what you want to do, but don't say one thing and then hint at another. JMO.  

And while on one hand it seems unlikely that it's related to anything from last night, the timing of the blocking and the tweets sure is coincidental.

Maybe joint statement was written by nick? Does sound like his words.