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Post by stuckinsc Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:05 pm

Amethyst wrote:How do all of you feel about Bryan's edit? Do you feel it was fair or unfair to him? There have been some complaints from Brachel fans in BN that not enough of their love story was shown.

My opinion is that they showed as much of the love story as they could without giving it away entirely. I think seeing a bit more of their in-depth conversations would have been helpful. My issue is that my impression of Bryan for much of the season was that he was too smarmy and too smooth of an operator. In light of that, I questioned his sincerity. I think after hometowns, he did come off as being more sincere. I remember Rachel making a remark after the fact that she questioned his smoothness during the first night as well. So she was seeing what I was seeing at least for a period of time. Due to the edit, I was just seeing it for longer. I did wonder about Bryan's edit. During the season, I was thinking, well, the producers and editors can only work with what is given to them. And Bryan was IMO consistently giving off the same "too smooth" vibe.

When men have come on to me very strongly, the way that Bryan came on to Rachel, my immediate reaction has been, are you even seeing what is in front of you, or just living in your own fantasy land? It has seemed more about them and their needs for an over-blown romance than about me. Obviously Rachel for whatever reason was able to get past her initial "too smooth" reaction to Bryan, but due at least in part to the edit, I could not. Even Rachel's mom was skeptical of Bryan's assertion that he was falling in love with Rachel that very first night.

So my feeling is that the edit was not unfair to Bryan, but perhaps not as rounded as it could have been. Rachel picked a guy that raises the "ick" factor in me and in a number of fans, but it obviously works for her, so more power to them. And honestly, that's the worst that I can say about him. He's not a Chad, nor a DeMario, nor a Josh. I don't think he's a bad guy at all. He might be a really nice guy. Just not my type.

This show has been on long enough that in general you should know you will be edited however they want.

I liked Bryan and Rachel and their chemistry, so I would love to have seen more than the kissing, but since I was paying attention to them, little things they said between kisses let me know that there were many conversations I was not being shown. I would love each season if TPTB would but out an hour long episode of the couple's love story that we didn't get to see. I understand that wouldn't be what they want to show on tv, but it would be great to get to see it and it could generate plenty of clicks.

I know that I am really enjoying the Bryan we are meeting post show. I also agree that he might be too much for some women, but for a woman who craves affection and validation he could be a dream come true.
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Post by Sprite Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:27 pm

Amethyst wrote:How do all of you feel about Bryan's edit? Do you feel it was fair or unfair to him? There have been some complaints from Brachel fans in BN that not enough of their love story was shown.

My opinion is that they showed as much of the love story as they could without giving it away entirely. I think seeing a bit more of their in-depth conversations would have been helpful. My issue is that my impression of Bryan for much of the season was that he was too smarmy and too smooth of an operator. In light of that, I questioned his sincerity. I think after hometowns, he did come off as being more sincere. I remember Rachel making a remark after the fact that she questioned his smoothness during the first night as well. So she was seeing what I was seeing at least for a period of time. Due to the edit, I was just seeing it for longer. I did wonder about Bryan's edit. During the season, I was thinking, well, the producers and editors can only work with what is given to them. And Bryan was IMO consistently giving off the same "too smooth" vibe.

When men have come on to me very strongly, the way that Bryan came on to Rachel, my immediate reaction has been, are you even seeing what is in front of you, or just living in your own fantasy land? It has seemed more about them and their needs for an over-blown romance than about me. Obviously Rachel for whatever reason was able to get past her initial "too smooth" reaction to Bryan, but due at least in part to the edit, I could not. Even Rachel's mom was skeptical of Bryan's assertion that he was falling in love with Rachel that very first night.

So my feeling is that the edit was not unfair to Bryan, but perhaps not as rounded as it could have been. Rachel picked a guy that raises the "ick" factor in me and in a number of fans, but it obviously works for her, so more power to them. And honestly, that's the worst that I can say about him. He's not a Chad, nor a DeMario, nor a Josh. I don't think he's a bad guy at all. He might be a really nice guy. Just not my type.

Good post. Fans complain all the time about the love story not being shown. It happens every season. Same thing happened last season with Nick and Vanessa. I think you can always see bits of the love story if you are actually paying attention and not blinded by fandom for this, that or the other. I think the issue often is that people don't see the love story they want to see and then complain that they didn't see the actual love story.


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Post by Mia_Leoni Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:40 pm

With the benefit of hindsight, it would have improved public perception of Bryan if they edited out the "sloppy seconds" comment on Ellen.

I get that he actually said that, and he probably intended it as a joke or offhand comment, but it did not need to be included.

I really believe that is what soured the perception of him initially and did a disservice to the couple's story. Just my 2cents

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Post by FashionLover Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:43 pm

IMO, Bryan would have had to not say 95% of his lines for me to warm up to him. It wasn't just the sloppy seconds comment for me
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Post by jalkire Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:48 pm

I adored Bryan from jump, and I thought they did a pretty good job with edit being that he didn't provide that much drama. I will say that I wish they would have shown more of there in depth conversations.

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Post by albean99 Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:53 pm

Too me it's less about Bryan's edit and more about his personality that turned a lot of people off. I didn't trust him from the 1st episode when I was still unspoiled. He came on too strong, too soon and there was no hiding that side of him, imo. They could have downplayed Rachel trying to get Peter to say he'd propose but they'd never give up the drama when she let him go. That's why a lot of people wonder if she picked the right guy, imo. It even had Eric questioning and Bryan's his friend.


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Post by Cocoasneeze Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:54 pm

@albean99 initially Eric said, that all the guys in the house saw, that Rachel would pick Bryan from early on.
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Post by GuardianAngel Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:55 pm

Same for me for Peter, they should have edited 95% of what he said in order for me to have a fraction of like for him.

I saw the love story, it was clearly shown to me by Bryan's behaviour and affection towards Rachel.

IMO The difference in meeting someone coming on too strong for the first time is that Bryan knew before Rachel was announced as the 'ette confirmed by his friend on IG, that he really thought she was his perfect HEA. He had a head start. So did all the other guys.


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Post by jalkire Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:12 pm

Eric comments are ridiculous to me. Your going to question what you witnessed in person vs and edit tv show. Ok I guess.

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Post by FashionLover Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:28 pm

Eric never really saw them interact one on one. Maybe the guys all thought it was Bryan cause he couldn't stop yapping about chemistry. And don't try to convince me he never brought it up in the house cause he seemed to bring it up any chance he could
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Post by Rolly Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:35 pm

jalkire wrote:Eric comments are ridiculous to me. Your going to question what you witnessed in person vs and edit tv show. Ok I guess.

Watching the show you have much more data to make a judgement. You see the individual dates, group dates and private time. Edit certainly matters but evidently so does watching the good bye/break up scene.
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Post by pbmax Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:46 pm

Cocoasneeze wrote:@FashionLover then why did he try to get to see her again after they did break up? Why did he say that 'We' re not breaking up' if he was offering her out. Imo they both knew they were breaking up, but it was hard, because they both suck at break ups, and want to rehash it to no end. Imo this is yet another reason, why they'd suck as a couple. Their arguments would last for days, because they would rehash and rehash and rehash and talk in circles.  Neither one could just move on. Jmo

It would have been so nice if we could have seen that whole scene in it's entirety and not all chopped up because we would have come to a different conclusion, but tptp got the reactions they wanted. I had a hard time following along with such chopped edit. After they came back from commercial and Peter and Rachel was sitting quiet, Peter say we not breaking up, that told me that Rachel had to say it was over but they chose to edit it out and probably edited out a lot of stuff they didn't want us to hear.
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