Bachelorette 13 - Rachel Lindsay - Episode 10 FRC - Aug 7 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

Kashathediva wrote:IMO I thought it was good.
I did not see Rachel being angry. I saw her being strong and direct. Why is the strong woman always wrong and victimized? Why is the strong women labeled as attacking? The only daggers that I saw coming out were from Peter's own eyes. JMO If looks could kill.
The behavior Peter showed last night was the same behavior pre-show attributed to him to a tee. Unable to commit, manipulative.

Amethyst wrote:I'm still puzzled by what went on between Peter and Rachel. She was really clear about what her end game was all along -- a proposal. From her choices and behavior I can infer that she also wanted someone who was all in -- who had a completely open heart, who was willing to pursue her, who wanted her completely, and who was willing to throw his hat in the ring. That person was clearly not Peter. He was ambivalent about the process and about Rachel for much of the season.

The only person who met her requirements 100% was Bryan. I think Eric came close. So why did Rachel not bring Eric to F2? That is my question. He loved her with a puppy-dog openness, and he was willing to propose. There is no doubt in my mind that if allowed, Eric would have had his chat with Neil Lane and gotten down on one knee. Apparently rejecting Eric would not have been quite as troubling to Rachel, since in her judgment, he was not ready.

So why bring Peter all the way to F2? Barring producer machinations, there is not a minute of that show where Rachel could not have sent Peter home. I'm sure that beyond Eric, there were a number of other guys on her season who would have been willing to propose to her. If getting engaged and being all in was her number one requirement, why not bring men along who were still in that game?

The watch -- I keep coming back to the watch. Rachel said that she could see problems with Peter going back to Geneva (although she never elaborated.) Well, all I can say is that if the object of my affections procured a massively expensive matching his-and-hers present for a rival, that would be a signal for me to cash out my chips. Game over. Of course Peter had problems with her after that! He's not stupid, and he's not a lovely, open-hearted Eric who is going to see something like that and just accept it with no question whatsoever. That's not who Peter is. He lives inside his head. He's going to add up the clues and come to the not unreasonable conclusion that he's not the front-runner.

My thinking is that Rachel did not want Peter. She wanted Bryan. But what she wanted most was to be in complete control of her finalists, and Peter would not and could not give that to her.

I seem to recall Rachel saying at one point that she felt a sort of possessiveness about her men. I saw some of that in play last night. Her comment that in her opinion the process may not be best for Peter -- well she can feel that way all she wants to, and she may indeed be right about it. *But IMO last night was NOT the night to say that.* Last night, she was in the winners' seat. She had her pick of the men, she had the rock, the People cover, and the Spanish vacation. Last night was also probably Peter's last, best chance for making his case for being the Bachelor. But IMO Rachel *could not let it go.* She is a courtroom lawyer in one of the biggest arenas of her life. Every last thing this woman says in a public arena is intentional. She is used to choosing her words with care. She deliberately threw him under the bus. Why? Because IMO he did not hand over control of his heart to her. And that irritated her to no end.

I do admire the way that Bryan has consistently steered clear of drama. Kudos to him for that. I don't mind the shilling. I figure that it's like any other form of media -- you have to give people content with the shilling, so they'll be willing to put up with it. The Dr. Abs stuff is funny, but hey, if he can sell it, more power to him.

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jalkire wrote:IMO neither Peter or Rachel were willing to compromise, and that's fine. My issue is with Peter if he knew he felt this way, not leave? Unless you are using this for your own agenda like getting your own season of The Bachelor. I just feel like he was using her and being manipulative and I just can't get behind that. I think Rachel started to feel that too and I think she should have sent him home earlier.

Who is to say that the producers would let him leave? Perhaps they targeted him as the next lead just as they did Rachel during Nick's season.

What is wrong with wanting to be the next lead and going along to get it?

Rachel has to lead the other guys whether she wants them or not. The other guys have said that halfway through the season they knew Brian was going to be it. Someone has to go to the end, so she is using them. So how is she any different than Peter?

The names are interchangeable. This applies every season. No need to be p*ssed off if they are all using one another. None of them are special snowflakes. Last season she was whining about Nick, but now it is all different? How exactly?  

The difference is when you go on this show as a contestant you know from the get got that it could not be you in the end and when you are the lead you expect  the contestant to tell you that they don't feel a connection and leave. Tptp don't need Peter for the bachelor,  they can get one of the other rejected guys or someone new per CH. We don't know if he will even get the gig maybe why we see some of his bitterness.

pbmax wrote:Can we really blame Peter for not being ready to propose to someone after only knowing them a couple months? Actually it’s 2.5 months to be more accurate. I think it’s totally normal not to feel ready.

Nibbles22 wrote:Imo, I didn't think she rewrote history.   I don't think I ever saw her truly happy and joyful while she was with Peter.
Her time spent with Peter was depressing, complicated, suffocating, and toxic.   Contrary to the obvious (IMO) joyful, and
happy moments she spent with Bryan

Linds911 wrote:I don't remember Kait making fun of Nick's ring toss but then again it's been 2 years since all her post-show interviews and she moved past Nick and is happily engaged so I hope Rachel can do the same! jmo.

FashionLover wrote:If peter was manipulating rachel then wasn't rachel playing the manipulative game right back. She has her mind made up but she's still pushing for a proposal she's gonna turn down, like what? The post by @Amethyst makes sense to me. If this was about control for her, then she was also being manipulative. If rachel doesn't want Peter to be bachelor, then my advice would be for her to talk about him as least as possible. The more he's discussed the more he is in the public eye.

side questions, do runner ups always give good morning show interviews?