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Post by Seabear Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:50 pm

The proof is in SM #'s on who TPTB prop up with storyline and edit and late elimination for the next Lead. Ironically .....no shock.... both Peter and Dean are white males good looking with edits designed to build a fanbase for next season.....of more of the same Franchise BS. In a cast full of very handsome men of a variety of racial backgrounds it is no accident that Peter and Dean are the "fan favorites". Sad and so disappointing that TPTB/MF/ABC perpetuate this IMO. Only JPG is a non white exception and we all know how his season of diversity went down. no no
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Post by Kashathediva Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:50 pm

FashionLover wrote:
HEA wrote:
FashionLover wrote:I think for me I'm gonna call a spade a spade. If Bryan is in touch with entertainment lawyers and representation agencies, it maybe cause he's considering a change in careers. Nothing wrong with that. It's been sleuthed that he hasn't been back to his previous job, so this could be why. I don't think Bryan would be the one in touch of entertainment lawyers on behalf of rachel when they're not even supposed to tell their close friends they're engaged. If rachel is doing DSW, that will all be handled by ABC like it's been done before for other bach nation contestants. There would be nothing wrong with Bryan using this as a boost for whatever other aspirations he has. It may take away from some of the notion that he came for love and love only but don't we know at this point that is never the case with anyone? even the leads accept this roles knowing the incredible opportunities it provides outside of finding love. That's why I never judge any contestants or call them famewh*res cause no matter how you dissect it, It's a smart move regardless

in a recent interview Rachel said she was not against some hollywood gig (not verbatim) before going back to TX. It is indeed possible that he wants to change his career but IMO his MIA is more about getting his new license in TX. All bach couples are very much in demand to sell/represent products on their IG or else. It is no longer Rachel alone, it is Rachel AND Bryan. They are a couple and this is why they will get proposals IMO.


DWTS is indeed another option that could be included. a lawyer can represent a couple and individually each of them too IMO

For me it is quite inevitable that the couple will be solicited from everywhere. They will gain money and for that it is wise to get an entertainment specialized lawyer.

I agree and that would be smart but why would bryan be out here looking for a lawyer for him AND rachel when he's not even supposed to breath a word about being engaged to her? He should know better than that seeing as he is engaged to a lawyer. Let rachel handle it if it's for the both of them cause she can simply say I'm looking for a lawyer for me and my fiancé whose identity will be disclosed in a couple weeks.

Until the facts of the situation are known, no one knows if confidentiality has been breached.
No one is aware why the lawyer has been obtained. If it is for a real estate issue or what. Is that correct?



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Post by GuardianAngel Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:53 pm

Who said at the beginning of the season, Rachel is no different. Her fate will be the same as a lot of other leads. handwave

I haven't seen the tweet, but as @AllAboutLove and @Seabear stated, totally expected.

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Post by FashionLover Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:54 pm

AllAboutLove wrote:
FashionLover wrote:I think the bachelorette twitter account is just doing smart social media marketing. If you scroll through their feed it's mostly peter, dean and rachel. Basically the three stars of this season. I don't think they're throwing rachel under any bus because what would the point be in that? They're posting things that get the most retweets and likes, which markets the show better. They're not gonna post things that people don't respond to. If the popular contestant was Bryan, you betcha he would be the one they're posting about. It's all marketing IMO.

I respectfully disagree. TPTB control the narrative on SM just like they do the edit. TPTB choose who to highlight and prop up and the SM audience fall for it and trick themselves into thinking it's THEM who are driving the machine when they are only falling for a marketing ploy that is set by TPTB. No doubt to me TPTB drives this machine and any SM viewer/contestant that thinks otherwise has taken their bait, hook line and sinker and is nothing but TPTB's target audience - thinking they have some control when they're just puppets.


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but....you just described marketing, what I pointed out? so they're not out to get rachel, they're just marketing their business no?
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Post by AllAboutLove Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:54 pm

BlueJeanBaby wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:
FashionLover wrote:I think the bachelorette twitter account is just doing smart social media marketing. If you scroll through their feed it's mostly peter, dean and rachel. Basically the three stars of this season. I don't think they're throwing rachel under any bus because what would the point be in that? They're posting things that get the most retweets and likes, which markets the show better. They're not gonna post things that people don't respond to. If the popular contestant was Bryan, you betcha he would be the one they're posting about. It's all marketing IMO.

I respectfully disagree. TPTB control the narrative on SM just like they do the edit. TPTB choose who to highlight and prop up and the SM audience fall for it and trick themselves into thinking it's THEM who are driving the machine when they are only falling for a marketing ploy that is set by TPTB. No doubt to me TPTB drives this machine and any SM viewer/contestant that thinks otherwise has taken their bait, hook line and sinker and is nothing but TPTB's target audience - thinking they have some control when they're just puppets.


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Respectfully, I think you guys are saying the same thing? JMO. But also, as a marketer, I read that and it says the same thing.

@FashionLover can CMIIW but from my interpretation, her post was stating that SM fans liking certain contestants impact what TPTB market/post and thus TPTB are just giving the SM fans what they want.

My post is stating that TPTB control what the SM fans like yet trick the SM fans into thinking they came up with it on their own and that TPTB are only giving SM fans what they want so SM fans have some control over TPTB. When IMO all the SM fans are puppets to the powers of persuasion via editing/SM by TPTB. Essentially, puppets who don't realize they're on a string and being played.

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Post by Guest Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:55 pm

i kinda disagree with that. I think they want a MOC. Maybe not next season but the chances that a MOC arrives top 3 is slim. IMO they tried with Fred, Will and Eric. Rachel was not interested.

I think they will pick a WM next season but I also think the following one could be a MOC.

I also think the issue they had with Eric is that he wants a WOC and has little interest with WW. And this cannot work for the show. they need diversity among contestant to please their audience. IMO

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Post by AllAboutLove Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:58 pm

FashionLover wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:
FashionLover wrote:I think the bachelorette twitter account is just doing smart social media marketing. If you scroll through their feed it's mostly peter, dean and rachel. Basically the three stars of this season. I don't think they're throwing rachel under any bus because what would the point be in that? They're posting things that get the most retweets and likes, which markets the show better. They're not gonna post things that people don't respond to. If the popular contestant was Bryan, you betcha he would be the one they're posting about. It's all marketing IMO.

I respectfully disagree. TPTB control the narrative on SM just like they do the edit. TPTB choose who to highlight and prop up and the SM audience fall for it and trick themselves into thinking it's THEM who are driving the machine when they are only falling for a marketing ploy that is set by TPTB. No doubt to me TPTB drives this machine and any SM viewer/contestant that thinks otherwise has taken their bait, hook line and sinker and is nothing but TPTB's target audience - thinking they have some control when they're just puppets.


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but....you just described marketing, what I pointed out? so they're not out to get rachel, they're just marketing their business no?


JMO: per the bolded, TPTB are doing both. 

Their marketing is dependent on driving the bus over Rachel. Aside from all the examples I can give from this season, the mainstay for me is that they do this because Rachel and her F1 is the past... the other contestants are the future. 


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Post by makeover Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:01 am

Seabear wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:Welp, per the official Bette's tweet about Peter (Pachel), TPTB are roaring to drive the bus over Rachel, IMO. I knew this was going to happen before Rach even started filming. This is what TPTB do - build up the lead to take them down and sure as heck Rach is going to be taken down when/if she doesn't choose Peter and get SM fans of the show to turn on her even more. Heck, I've already seen so many Rachel fans on SM who have turned on Rach for some dude she has to ask to kiss her. It actually disgusts me. Same with their "we announced early to get better contestants for Rachel", Yeah, like that disgusting Lee? #SMH. I am sure it's all part of TPTB's plan to say "look we had our first black Bachelorette but the ratings are down and the fans prefer Madison Mannequin" so.... Please. As if TPTB didn't build it/plan it this way  no


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Yep....ITA with you @AllAboutLove.  Build up the male model white guy Peter from wholesome Madison, Wisconsin with the "perfect" edit....then throw Rachel under the bus as the first black Lead/Ette for choosing the "smooth talking insincere" latino man Bryan from sexy steamy Miami, Florida. Add in a southern white man racist with Lee.....and TPTB/MF get to prove that they know what America wants in a Lead. A white male model/trainer like Peter. TPTB are beyond transparent and totally disgusting IMO. This season has been edited to encourage racism, ageism, cultural location bias...the list goes on and on IMO.no no  no

I hope Rachel and Bryan are assembling a wonderful legal and entertainment/future opportunity team separate from the Franchise/ABC. They both deserve much better treatment than this. IMO. hmmm
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ITA @Seabear, especially to the bolded part. I have seen many veiled (some not so veiled) comments on SM, along the lines of Rachel would be stupid not to choose wholesome Peter from the midwest over the other two [fill in your blank] guys. And I've seen comments that they were grossed out by the activities Bryan brought Rachel to do during their hometown date. I saw nothing gross about playing Dominos or some salsa dancing, so it's obvious to me that cultural bias is definitely in play IMO. no no

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Post by sfrank Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:07 am

Guys that "entertainment lawyer" is clearly a friend. No professional acquaintance or new introduction would IMO refer to Bryan and "my boy". The comments also suggest they are in the same circle of friends. Much ado about nothing.
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Post by stuckinsc Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:08 am

BTW, if a lawyer is hired, then doesn't what they tell the lawyer remain confidential?
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Post by Ladybug82 Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:10 am

🚋 as I sit here waiting on more MTA info. laugh out loud
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Post by BlueJeanBaby Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:13 am

AllAboutLove wrote:
@FashionLover can CMIIW but from my interpretation, her post was stating that SM fans liking certain contestants impact what TPTB market/post and thus TPTB are just giving the SM fans what they want.

My post is stating that TPTB control what the SM fans like yet trick the SM fans into thinking they came up with it on their own and that TPTB are only giving SM fans what they want so SM fans have some control over TPTB. When IMO all the SM fans are puppets to the powers of persuasion via editing/SM by TPTB. Essentially, puppets who don't realize they're on a string and being played.

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Got it/ makes sense! IMO (and admittedly I'm probably reading it this way because this is what I do for a living) but the two are inherently connected. It's clear that TPTB understand their audience and continue to serve up content that they find engaging, which is informed by aspects of what @FashionLover mentioned. It's not so much just about liking certain contestants as it is about what happens when TPTB post about certain contestants (the quantity of likes, retweets, shares, etc.). All of that informs the ongoing marketing strategy which should ladder up into the narrative that you're describing. They're all a part of the same communications ecosystem.

Fan reactions (or lack thereof) are just the measure of success or failure against a really elaborate, well executed marketing campaign no idea
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