Peter Kraus - Bachelorette 13 - **Sleuthing Spoilers** - #8

BachIsMyGuiltyPleasure wrote:IMO Peter's view on Bryan is from living with him 24/7 and mirrors Rachel's own sister questioning his "sincerity factor" after meeting in him person... ours views are from an edited TV show and SM... that's the difference IMO.

Alex sums it up nicely.......

tinobordyJust a friendly reminder that if all conclusions were based purely on what we see with our eyes, and nothing else, we’d still believe the Earth is flat. A lot of my friends and people I respect, inevitably, have come under scrutiny. We are all adults that have consciously placed ourselves on display, fully aware of the consequences and repercussions; so, by no means is anyone a victim here. Nevertheless, even though everyone is entitled to their opinion, I do believe we can all appreciate if those opinions (good or bad) were based on something more than just vague glimpses and alternative facts. The grounds behind many of the divisive decisions are not always revealed, nor always accredited to the responsible factors and individuals. Just keep in mind, even if perception is reality, portrayal is not a perspective, as you’re watching a TV show. Thanks! #asseenontv #thebachelorette #alternativefacts #teamrachel #teampeter #teamdean #portrayalisnotaperspective #theearthisround #sorrykyrie
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWtTg1-lKr8/

lleyki wrote:

IMO Peter's view on Bryan is from living with him 24/7 and mirrors Rachel's own sister questioning his "sincerity factor" after meeting in him person... ours views are from an edited TV show and SM... that's the difference IMO.

And IMO, I don't buy this "they lived together so they know each other so much". First of all, these people were virtual strangers to each other during this period, two, we have no evidence they spent time having long conversations talking about their lives, feelings, past, etc. Three, they spent time in a highly manipulated hamster wheel situation that in no way reflects real life. So I don't buy that just because these people were on a season together competing for one woman it means that Peter knows Bryan so well. For all we know, Bryan and Peter were only merely ever polite and barely spoke to each other. So how much would he really know about who Bryan is? 

But all that aside, the issue here IMO is WHAT Peter is saying and what that is, much like his buddy Dean, is nothing. It's all superficial and stereotyping crap. He's confident, from Miami and 37 so he must be fake and not genuine. That's it. That's been the basis of their issues with Bryan and their, or Peter's determination, that Bryan isn't good enough for or right for Rachel. This from a guy who Rachel has to ask to kiss her but he's passing judgement on Bryan's not being good enough for her. 

It's all petty crap and it does seem like it escalated from that watch. The clip clearly shows it's something on their mind. But while Eric chose to be an adult even if he was honest and pretty much laid it out that yeah, Rachel wearing the watch is pretty telling, he didn't use that to attack Bryan. 

I noticed that Eric just listened to Peter and said nothing and everything that's been said about Eric and I believe it, is that he's a straight shooter and yet he didn't join in on the attack against Bryan and maybe that's because he knows Bryan has done nothing to warrant that. It can be spun in all ways but IMO, all I see is petty little bitter Peter who wasn't into Rachel much himself but his little ego didn't like not thinking he was the most special one that she was chasing and begging to love her.

FashionLover wrote:

BachIsMyGuiltyPleasure wrote:IMO Peter's view on Bryan is from living with him 24/7 and mirrors Rachel's own sister questioning his "sincerity factor" after meeting in him person... ours views are from an edited TV show and SM... that's the difference IMO.

Alex sums it up nicely.......

tinobordyJust a friendly reminder that if all conclusions were based purely on what we see with our eyes, and nothing else, we’d still believe the Earth is flat. A lot of my friends and people I respect, inevitably, have come under scrutiny. We are all adults that have consciously placed ourselves on display, fully aware of the consequences and repercussions; so, by no means is anyone a victim here. Nevertheless, even though everyone is entitled to their opinion, I do believe we can all appreciate if those opinions (good or bad) were based on something more than just vague glimpses and alternative facts. The grounds behind many of the divisive decisions are not always revealed, nor always accredited to the responsible factors and individuals. Just keep in mind, even if perception is reality, portrayal is not a perspective, as you’re watching a TV show. Thanks! #asseenontv #thebachelorette #alternativefacts #teamrachel #teampeter #teamdean #portrayalisnotaperspective #theearthisround #sorrykyrie
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWtTg1-lKr8/

Isn't it interesting though that Bryan was never tagged or hashtagged on that post? just a thought

BachIsMyGuiltyPleasure wrote:

1) No one is saying Peter is an expert on Bryan, I am saying his view is unfiltered, ours is not... we know Peter and Bryan spent the Ellen date together, the booze cruise/Spelling bee date together, and Viking group date together... even if they never spoke one word to eachother, that's more unfiltered observation time than we've had.... Peter has been allowed to form an opinion on Bryan without TPTB cherry picking what we see of him.

2) Peter is only echoing what many have observed about Bryan, granted he may not have articulated it as PC as Rachel "too good to be true" (aka fake) or her sister "lacking sincerity factor" (aka fake).. but so 'many in the viewing public feel the same, even podcasters like E&G have called out his player vibes... so Peter is hardly an outlier in his views IMO!

3) I totally disagree that Bryan is innocent... he was like a peacock coming back from his watch date, just watch it back IMO... compare that to the humble way Peter came back from his 3 hour special hot tub treat... THAT is the difference IMO

sfrank wrote:

BachIsMyGuiltyPleasure wrote:

1) No one is saying Peter is an expert on Bryan, I am saying his view is unfiltered, ours is not... we know Peter and Bryan spent the Ellen date together, the booze cruise/Spelling bee date together, and Viking group date together... even if they never spoke one word to eachother, that's more unfiltered observation time than we've had.... Peter has been allowed to form an opinion on Bryan without TPTB cherry picking what we see of him.

2) Peter is only echoing what many have observed about Bryan, granted he may not have articulated it as PC as Rachel "too good to be true" (aka fake) or her sister "lacking sincerity factor" (aka fake).. but so 'many in the viewing public feel the same, even podcasters like E&G have called out his player vibes... so Peter is hardly an outlier in his views IMO!

3) I totally disagree that Bryan is innocent... he was like a peacock coming back from his watch date, just watch it back IMO... compare that to the humble way Peter came back from his 3 hour special hot tub treat... THAT is the difference IMO

I think if you watch the clip you'll see that Bryan was asked about the date (and Dean asked for every detail ) and Matt noticed the watch.