Bachelorette 13 - Rachel Lindsay - SM Media - *Sleuthing Spoilers* Discussion - #11

Carine wrote:Could be a coincidence but interesting that she posted a bts pic from her 1on1 date with Peter.

coolangel wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:
But the problem is-this is the show.
This is the show we are talking about. It's not good tv. IMO It's not about award winning tv or a romance or --I don't know how to categorize it in any other way besides referring to it as DRECK.
I mean honestly, it could have been this great thing or that great thing or the other great thing. It could have been. It could have been in an alternate world.
But this is Michael Fleiss and not Walt Disney. He does Chain Saw Massacre and not It's a Wonderful Life.
And I don't mean to be disrespectful to cast or readers/members. I don't excuse the show or it's producers. I think they suck.
But when I go into a discount store and buy something damaged and disgusting from the 99.99% clearance rack I don't expect to get Louis Vuitton, I expect to get something cheap, damaged and disgusting.
It's about time the cast get with the ideology. There really are no surprises here. The contract spells it out pretty clearly. JMO

ITA! I have learnt my lesson over the last couple of seasons and even as a viewer, I don't expect anything different but the Lee storyline was a very hard pill to swallow and I am still disgusted that they went there. I just don't think Rachel expected it and I agree that it is on her and she should have known/educated herself prior to the season IMO. I remember making posts before the season that she needs to binge-watch UnReal. That might have really helped her IMO. Unfortunately, the cast never learns and it's the same story every season IMO.

All JMO

coolangel wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:
But the problem is-this is the show.
This is the show we are talking about. It's not good tv. IMO It's not about award winning tv or a romance or --I don't know how to categorize it in any other way besides referring to it as DRECK.
I mean honestly, it could have been this great thing or that great thing or the other great thing. It could have been. It could have been in an alternate world.
But this is Michael Fleiss and not Walt Disney. He does Chain Saw Massacre and not It's a Wonderful Life.
And I don't mean to be disrespectful to cast or readers/members. I don't excuse the show or it's producers. I think they suck.
But when I go into a discount store and buy something damaged and disgusting from the 99.99% clearance rack I don't expect to get Louis Vuitton, I expect to get something cheap, damaged and disgusting.
It's about time the cast get with the ideology. There really are no surprises here. The contract spells it out pretty clearly. JMO

ITA! I have learnt my lesson over the last couple of seasons and even as a viewer, I don't expect anything different but the Lee storyline was a very hard pill to swallow and I am still disgusted that they went there. I just don't think Rachel expected it and I agree that it is on her and she should have known/educated herself prior to the season IMO. I remember making posts before the season that she needs to binge-watch UnReal. That might have really helped her IMO. Unfortunately, the cast never learns and it's the same story every season IMO.

All JMO

Tiggerlgh wrote:@ReneeM the fact that this is the first lead of color in how many seasons tells me sadly it's nothing new.  But showing it clearly on tv ui all imo.

ReneeM wrote:It's actually highly offensive to me that racism is being lumped in with TPTB usual shenanigans. Idc what unReal did, racism crosses a line. It's not the same thing as casting whaboom and blake E. So Rachel's season is different IMO.

sdmom wrote:

sfrank wrote:

sdmom wrote:

I know, but IF he's f1, where would they have SHV this weekend? He's with family Friday and Saturday, quiet on Sunday and spotted in Chicago this morning and back to Madison this afternoon.
I was 1000 % convinced Bryan f1 but after seeing Rachel's newset post, I am back to 990%
Keep sleuthing!

I have no doubt in my mind that he's F2 so I guess that's where my confusion comes from...she posted a pic of her and her dog and somehow that means Peter is F1?  I don't follow.

Earlier Peter posted a picture of their 1-1 and Rachel also posted one from their 1-1. Could it be a shout out ? I just want to cover all grounds, that's why I threw out an unlikely (my opinion） scenario

coolangel wrote:

ReneeM wrote:It's actually highly offensive to me that racism is being lumped in with TPTB usual shenanigans. Idc what unReal did, racism crosses a line. It's not the same thing as casting whaboom and blake E. So Rachel's season is different IMO.

If you are referring to my post, I don't see where I lumped racism with TPTB shenanigans. I stated clearly multiple times how disgusted I was that they went there. However, anyone who watched UnReal knew it was a possibility coz that is exactly what happened.

I feel every single person who goes on this show should binge-watch UnReal before they sign the contract. TPTB are not your friends and don't give a crap about anyone IMO. In that sense, no one is really different and while this might be crossing a line for most of the viewing audience, it is business as usual for TPTB IMO. This is a new low for TPTB IMO but give them a few more seasons and I am sure they'll find a way to go lower than this for ratings.

All JMO

coolangel wrote:

sfrank wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:I think it's probably producer driven also, but then IMO it's basically her fault. History shows with these people it's fool me once--yada.
Even as I type that I know I am going to get chit for that one. But it's well documented TPTB/MF&CO are not your friend. They don't care about the cast.
It's foolish to go into this process thinking you are going to be the one different cast person, especially if you are a woman. It seems women fare worse then the men. IMO

I would not be surprised if its also driven by a lot of the narrative this season and article like that one in The Atlantic recently that have accused show of exploitative plotlines that treat racism as entertainment. I've heard from many of my friends from diverse backgrounds who thought it was outrageous and have even stop watching all together.

I agree with both the posts. I wouldn't be surprised if she is fuming over how the season was handled IMO. Her sister liking Paco's post calling the season a joke is a good indicator how her family might be feeling and this was before all the Lee drama came to the forefront (JMO). There is nothing entertaining about racism and I am truly disgusted that the producers thought showing black men be antagonized by a closet racist is what this season needs. I think this season had the potential to be one of the best seasons coz Rachel is indeed a fantastic bachelorette IMO but TPTB ruined it with their crappy storylines, watered down connections (Adam who? Matt who?), TBC episodes and the constant shuffle of no epi-2 epi-repeat epi . The ratings are reflective of that IMO. On top of it, if Bryan is indeed her F1, I can see her being angry at how their relationship has been reduced to only make-outs while giving her F2 the perfect edit to make him a fan favorite for the Bachelor (JMO).

All JMO

ReneeM wrote:

coolangel wrote:

ReneeM wrote:It's actually highly offensive to me that racism is being lumped in with TPTB usual shenanigans. Idc what unReal did, racism crosses a line. It's not the same thing as casting whaboom and blake E. So Rachel's season is different IMO.

If you are referring to my post, I don't see where I lumped racism with TPTB shenanigans. I stated clearly multiple times how disgusted I was that they went there. However, anyone who watched UnReal knew it was a possibility coz that is exactly what happened.

I feel every single person who goes on this show should binge-watch UnReal before they sign the contract. TPTB are not your friends and don't give a crap about anyone IMO. In that sense, no one is really different and while this might be crossing a line for most of the viewing audience, it is business as usual for TPTB IMO. This is a new low for TPTB IMO but give them a few more seasons and I am sure they'll find a way to go lower than this for ratings.

All JMO

I'm referring to all the posts in this conversation, including, but not limited to yours. Racism is being lumped in if the conversation is 'well same old TPTB, they don't care about any of their leads, I knew it'. As far as I know, there's never been a situation like this on the show, unless there's been some other black lead I've missed, so it's not same old same old. There's nothing Rachel could have done to prepare for this, maybe she did check out a couple episodes of unreal, but seeing it in an abstract sense and being confronted with it IRL isn't the same thing.