Bachelorette 13 - Rachel Lindsay - Episode 5-6 - June 26-27 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

Alanna wrote:Peter will probs fall immediately in love with a blonde valley girl whose career is a nanny/sales rep/secretary/stay at home princess and will be obsessed and hyperventilating over her from day 1. Imo.

Seabear wrote:

adf23 wrote:

Alanna wrote:I don't think I'd like Bryan whatsoever if Peter wasn't so much of a dud imo it just pisses me off that rachel needs to throw herself at him over and over and he doesn't react or care.

I get it's probably his style and whatever but this isn't the right environment for him then and I hate seeing such a wonderful, awesome girl throwing herself at him and begging for kisses. Even the coldest of the cold f1's have been affectionate physically with the lead,  if not verbally reassuring. Peter is missing something fundamental and isn't a good match for her at all. He's all talk imo and wants to be led. Rachel is the opposite.

So thanks Peter for making me love Bryan

Now we all know that this show is edited absolutely to death.  Just like everyone keeps saying there has to be more to her time with Bryan than kissing, etc for him to make it to the F2,   there has to be more than what they are giving us, with Peter, for him to make it to F2 as well.  

In that clip of them last night where she asks him for a kiss, it's obvious that something happened to lead up to that point, that they did not show.  And for her to say "What I love about Peter is that I never have to guess where I stand with him" ..........that right there is telling us that what we are seeing is no where near what is happening behind the camera.  Her words go completely against the perception that some have of their relation, and him.

I really think alot of people are going to be surprised when she chooses Peter in the end. jmo.

I won't be surprised if Rachel chooses Peter. Not at all. IMO Rachel has been all in with Peter since she set eyes on him as he stepped out of the limo. IMO Peter's striking good looks put him in the top immediately for Rachel. On their 1 on 1 they built some beginnings of a foundation. As the season has progressed Peter is always the hesitant one and Rachel is all in working hard to make it happen IMO. Rachel seems to have to beg Peter for kisses. Other's are sent home for infractions that Peter exhibits but they aren't Peter.  What I am looking for in their relationship is Reciprocity. So far I am not seeing it. Rachel seems to have to be the leader and Peter the follower. Rachel seems very passionate physically and Peter seems mellow bordering on dispassionate. Obviously Rachel will choose the one she wants and if Peter is her guy...No Surprise on my part. I actually expect it. I am trying to figure out why? The Rachel and Peter I see seem to be such different types IMO. I realize it will all come down to what type of relationship dynamic Rachel wants. I would like to hear a conversation between them about dating a black woman and family acceptance like Rachel has had with others. I am just trying to figure what Rachel and Peter have in common beyond the surface? What is their common bond? What does she get from Peter that she has lacked from others?   
I watch this highly edited show for the nuances that survive the editing floor and so far I am missing some depth of connection, some reciprocity from Rachel and Peter.
The only thing I know as fact...is Rachel chose who she wanted and she presently seems happy. That is good.
All JMO

Alanna wrote:@Seabear, great minds!! I just posted something similar- Peter has gotten away with a lot with rachel, more than most. I don't know what they're cutting out to make rachel feel like she's confident/secure with him when we see the opposite. They probably have a deep emotional bond and enjoy talking, like buddies/besties.

djogbenyuie wrote:Not to compare the two shows here but Snez and Sam were really all about chemistry and no serious talk. Even at hometowns Sam had not pictured the moving or being an instant parent (Snez has a daughter) before going there.
He was all we will figure things out as long as we have the unexplanable connection it's all good. I remember people being frustrated by this.
But at the end of the dayday, they got engaged (like months after the show) and are having a baby at the moment.
So yeah, when the connection is unexplanable, and both parties are mature, I think all the talk are not to be done during the show for them to decide to be together and succeed at it.
JmO

BachIsMyGuiltyPleasure wrote:

mindless wrote:

Topazgold wrote:*snip*

I found it telling that last night Rachel & Bryan were finally discussing where they would live and his answer was when you’re 100% I’m in.  In what? What does that mean? Is he moving? She is moving? Peter & Rachel touched on this topic twice as shown to the viewers. She had to ask Bryan if his family would accept her at this stage.  IMO, there’s gotta be a back story there.  And being in a few interracial relationships myself just because we may have “loved” each other, everyone was not accepting and in this political climate if she chooses either Bryan or Peter unfortunately it is something they will face.  All JMO

His answer to her concerns about living so far apart really frustrated me. "I'm so ready". Ready for what though? It felt more like deflection than reassurance. Is he going to keep deflecting on all serious issues until they're engaged? That's what it seemed like when he said "when you're 100% in". It's like he's saying "we'll work all this out once you pick me, now let's make out". JMO.

Yes and yes!  This is my frustration with Bryan... I'm hearing a lot of generic chat, where is the substance...I'm aware it could be the edit and they could be cutting out the real conversation but Rachel cut Josiah so fast for the same offense IMO, I just wonder how long their chemistry can give him a pass?  

AllAboutLove wrote:

djogbenyuie wrote:Not to compare the two shows here but Snez and Sam were really all about chemistry and no serious talk. Even at hometowns Sam had not pictured the moving or being an instant parent (Snez has a daughter) before going there.
He was all we will figure things out as long as we have the unexplanable connection it's all good. I remember people being frustrated by this.
But at the end of the dayday, they got engaged (like months after the show) and are having a baby at the moment.
So yeah, when the connection is unexplanable, and both parties are mature, I think all the talk are not to be done during the show for them to decide to be together and succeed at it.
JmO

I remember that season so well because I was one of those frustrated people and even though once F5 came around I knew F1 would be Snez (Heather was my fave at the time and I knew she was out by F4 per SCs) but even so it still felt more like it was physical rather than emotional or talk with Sam and Snez and more just chemistry so it was a big learning lesson for me regarding edit and connection of lead/F1 and for subsequent seasons the same thing happened for intense chemistry F1s (Alex F1, Lee F1). In fact we had a joke that whomever the lead was kissing with lots of tongue would be F1 because that was the pattern with edit/SCs for F1s and so far that's the same with Rach and Bryan  

So since then I have seen so many F1s who have that intense chemistry and less talk talk talk. What I mean is, the lead and F1 still talk but usually it's later in the season and not so much earlier on - like their story arc is physical first and then more talk/emotional/logistics stuff later). I see the exact same with Bryan and Rach. First kiss and making out a lot in the first few epis and then this episode beginning to talk logistics and emotional stuff when Rach talks about moving and if Bryan's family will accept her, etc. I suspect that this will continue and by the time HTDs and FDs come around Rach and Bryan will be talking even more in-depth about real life outside the bubble/show since they are so far ahead already in their relationship compared to the others. jmo

adf23 wrote:

Alanna wrote:I don't think I'd like Bryan whatsoever if Peter wasn't so much of a dud imo it just pisses me off that rachel needs to throw herself at him over and over and he doesn't react or care.

I get it's probably his style and whatever but this isn't the right environment for him then and I hate seeing such a wonderful, awesome girl throwing herself at him and begging for kisses. Even the coldest of the cold f1's have been affectionate physically with the lead,  if not verbally reassuring. Peter is missing something fundamental and isn't a good match for her at all. He's all talk imo and wants to be led. Rachel is the opposite.

So thanks Peter for making me love Bryan

Now we all know that this show is edited absolutely to death.  Just like everyone keeps saying there has to be more to her time with Bryan than kissing, etc for him to make it to the F2,   there has to be more than what they are giving us, with Peter, for him to make it to F2 as well.  

In that clip of them last night where she asks him for a kiss, it's obvious that something happened to lead up to that point, that they did not show.  And for her to say "What I love about Peter is that I never have to guess where I stand with him" ..........that right there is telling us that what we are seeing is no where near what is happening behind the camera.  Her words go completely against the perception that some have of their relation, and him.

I really think alot of people are going to be surprised when she chooses Peter in the end. jmo.