Bachelor New Zealand - Season 3 - Zac Franich - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

AllAboutLove wrote:Awesome list @4health Thanks for doing that it's truly appreciated 

4health wrote:So, I was traveling and bored and something again popped out at me and so I re-watched the CPs of each episode and found this interesting?
Cocktail Party Chats Shown vs. Eliminations
Episode 1 & 2 (*Zac asked, I - interrupted)

* Viarni - WR
I - Taylor
 - Molly
I - Katey
I - Ally & Stephanie
I - Elaina
I - Jesse
I - Bel
I - Lucia
I - Nina
I - Hannah
I - Monique
I - Rosie
* - Marianna
- Claudia  
Eliminated - Monique, Charlotte, Eliana (two out of three CP 1:1 shown)

EPISODE 3
* - Lily
I - Sophia
I - Taylor -
I - Claudia "no"
* - Claudia
* - Marianna

Eliminated RC -  Marianna

EPISODE  4
* - Bel
* - Nina
I - Katey
 - Rosie

Eliminated - Taylor

Episode 5
* - Hannah
* - Claudia
* - Nina

Eliminated - Katey

Episode 6
* - Molly
* - Lily (CP Rose)
* - Lucia
I - Claudia
Eliminated: Sophie (no rose on 1:1 time)

Episode 7
- Nina
* - Claudia
 - Rosie
 - Lucia
Eliminated: Lucia

Episode 8
-  Rosie (1:1 rose)
* - Sarah
* - Lily (CP Rose)
Eliminated: Nina

Episode: 9
- Bel
* - Jesse (CP Rose)
- Karina (CP Rose)
- Hannah
Eliminated: Molly (no rose 1:1 date)

Episode 10
- Ally
- Rosie
* - Lily (CP Rose)
Eliminated: Jesse & Rosie

Episode 11
* - Sarah
I - Hannah
 -  Viarni (she asked)
I - Bel

Eliminated: Ally


So the pattern I see is one of the CP 1:1 chats shown are eliminated the next week.  I bolded the episode of the girl in the CP chat and sure enough they were eliminated the next week.  The only exceptions were the girls that had no rose on 1:1 time from GD or 1:1 date no rose given.  So, if the pattern holds true to form then one of the girls that had 1:1 CP Chat will be the one eliminated in Episode 12 Sunday or someone gets a 1:1 date with no rose and will be eliminated....I just thought that was interesting.

AllAboutLove wrote:@4health IA and see the same thing. I also noticed that the person getting eliminated so far if they are MOT will do lots of ITMs in that episode that they are leaving. 

Interesting that Viarni was the only woman that Zac approached on the first night (that was shown). It's what stood out to me, along with her getting the first intro video, first to step out limo, and WR too. A lot of us saw that as way too obvious which to me, given how it seemed to get less obvious with time I can see them trying to hide that a bit since it was so obvious from the beginning. Plus, Viarni got the Ep 3 SD which is usually the standard F1 date for a lot of franchise of Bach shows. So based on edit alone I'd think Viarni is F1.

4health wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:@4health IA and see the same thing. I also noticed that the person getting eliminated so far if they are MOT will do lots of ITMs in that episode that they are leaving. 

Interesting that Viarni was the only woman that Zac approached on the first night (that was shown). It's what stood out to me, along with her getting the first intro video, first to step out limo, and WR too. A lot of us saw that as way too obvious which to me, given how it seemed to get less obvious with time I can see them trying to hide that a bit since it was so obvious from the beginning. Plus, Viarni got the Ep 3 SD which is usually the standard F1 date for a lot of franchise of Bach shows. So based on edit alone I'd think Viarni is F1.

@AllAboutLove oh I can see your thought process on that.  But, I have found IMO that this franchise is not like other Bach shows.   NZ season 1 Matilda was the FI rose and also the first date of the season.  So NZ has not followed that pattern IMO.    But, you might be right.  Some are also saying that it could be like AUS bachelorette Georgia's season.  What makes me pause with Viarni as F1 is her date was actually not her date, so who knowns when her 1:1 date would have been.  Plus also Viarni has been shown with not feeling right on several occasions.  I know her being sick (rose given not shown) then he said in a PI about Viarni is acting weird (not exact) plus you see her questioning him about "what's plan" and he questions her "what do you mean or well what is your plan" and Viarni "I don't have a plan I go with the flow" and you see Zac roll his eyes.  That just doesn't scream romance or F1.   If am in the corner of why Zac hasn't asked to chat with her?  He has asked Claudia, Hannah, Sarah, Lily and several occasions but never Viarni.  If he was so in to her he would ask her!  But, like I say we shall see....

AllAboutLove wrote:

4health wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:@4health IA and see the same thing. I also noticed that the person getting eliminated so far if they are MOT will do lots of ITMs in that episode that they are leaving. 

Interesting that Viarni was the only woman that Zac approached on the first night (that was shown). It's what stood out to me, along with her getting the first intro video, first to step out limo, and WR too. A lot of us saw that as way too obvious which to me, given how it seemed to get less obvious with time I can see them trying to hide that a bit since it was so obvious from the beginning. Plus, Viarni got the Ep 3 SD which is usually the standard F1 date for a lot of franchise of Bach shows. So based on edit alone I'd think Viarni is F1.

@AllAboutLove oh I can see your thought process on that.  But, I have found IMO that this franchise is not like other Bach shows.   NZ season 1 Matilda was the FI rose and also the first date of the season.  So NZ has not followed that pattern IMO.    But, you might be right.  Some are also saying that it could be like AUS bachelorette Georgia's season.  What makes me pause with Viarni as F1 is her date was actually not her date, so who knowns when her 1:1 date would have been.  Plus also Viarni has been shown with not feeling right on several occasions.  I know her being sick (rose given not shown) then he said in a PI about Viarni is acting weird (not exact) plus you see her questioning him about "what's plan" and he questions her "what do you mean or well what is your plan" and Viarni "I don't have a plan I go with the flow" and you see Zac roll his eyes.  That just doesn't scream romance or F1.   If am in the corner of why Zac hasn't asked to chat with her?  He has asked Claudia, Hannah, Sarah, Lily and several occasions but never Viarni.  If he was so in to her he would ask her!  But, like I say we shall see....

Viarni got the second date of the season just like Matilda did. First date for Art's season went to Poppy. Season 2 Jordan wasn't interested in any of them and said so himself in interviews (even this week) so that season is an outlier. That said I also saw the same problem possibly since Viarni's date wasn't actually her date but on the other hand, Zac was very pleased when she stole the date so that made me think she was going to always get that date and was likely encouraged by producers IMO to make sure to use her card for the Ep 3 date. I was wondering the same about no chats initiated by Zac but the last one where Viarni did initiate it he even said he was glad she did and seemed really happy about that? It reminded me of when Matilda initiated chats as well and had to interrupt too. 

Out of the remaining girls, other than Viarni as F1 based on edit I could possibly see Lily As F1 or Claudia given she has spent the most time with Zac and he gives her plenty of time with CP and SQT too. (I used to think Bel but not so much anymore). The edit to me seems to indicate more Viarni IMO just based on her ITMs which seem to show her "explaining" and reasoning things the way that Matilda did including being jealous which the show posted on their FB a video of Viarni being jealous like they did with Matilda. So not sure exactly but if I had to pick I'd say Viarni for F1 atm.

reason wrote:@AllAboutLove the date that Viarni took was not hers it was for Bel.  She has not got a date yet.

4health wrote:*snipped*
  I just never saw on either season of NZ the lead roll eyes or talk negative about the frontrunner.   If Viarni is F1 I will still be in awe of that and always wonder what was the point to show Viarni's moody personality.