Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - FRC - ATFR - Mar 13 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

I have seen zero chemistry between Raven and Nick...yet speaking to a couple of friends (unaware of this forum), they believe it will be Raven at the end!

Ladybug82 wrote:In the SC No Discussion thread as well for easy finding.

Ladybug82 wrote:FRC Preview:

Source

Raven



Vanessa


My SCs

So the preview also says its a "Bachelor First" on the AFTR. Can't tell who comes first with the vid daylight looks about the same.

It is very difficult to tell who was first!
I still think it's odd that V had her LCD first. And Raven's second!
I just keep remembering Nick saying something about the ending will not end they way you think!
He is well aware of the spoiler...just gives me pause..To be honest I haven't spent much time sleuthing..
( real life took over )

It's been a season of many firsts

I think the bit with Vanessa going in has been lightened. It looks really blue outside already when she's getting ready, which means it'll go dark pretty soon. No way would there be time for a rejection and proposal after that. JMO.

There was various sleuthing re the time of day, the time of sunset etc. IIRC it was sleuthed that Vanessa was first.

You can tell the difference between the two s/caps of Raven in her room and Vanessa's. In Vanessa's shot it looks like the sun is already setting.

Those two s/caps of CH walking the girls is new? I dont' recall seeing them. I noticed the candle in the lantern is the exact same size for each of the pics, they could be phoney. We know it's several hours inbetween the F2 anf F1 arrival. The building behind has it's lights on in both pics. I wonder if they are just promotional shots.

An obscure thing that might have relevancy.

Museum of broken relationships:
In epi 2 the scene with the Nick note and donation of the Kaitlyn proposal ring was, of course, production.  Not long after someone posted on IG a pic of her visit to the Museum.  The note is the same but the item is a dried long stem rose.  Odd as the Bach give out long stems, not the Bette, so how is it a "relic" of K's season?

GuardianAngel wrote:There was various sleuthing re the time of day, the time of sunset etc. IIRC it was sleuthed that Vanessa was first.

You can tell the difference between the two s/caps of Raven in her room and Vanessa's. In Vanessa's shot it looks like the sun is already setting.

Those two s/caps of CH walking the girls is new? I dont' recall seeing them. I noticed the candle in the lantern is the exact same size for each of the pics, they could be phoney. We know it's several hours inbetween the F2 anf F1 arrival. The building behind has it's lights on in both pics. I wonder if they are just promotional shots.

Wow, it's like I wrote this. This was exactly what I was thinking when I was looking at the images. The shot of Vanessa turning and looking at herself in what I assume is the mirror clearly looks like it's late afternoon, yet when she and Raven are both being escorted in by Chris Harrison it looks like they are going to a normal FRC and entering at the exact same time. So I wondered if they made them film shots of walking in with Chris just for promo purposes and then later filmed the actual scenes with Nick.

I just keep remembering Nick saying something about the ending will not end they way you think!

Don't the leads or the show always say something to that extent as the season is coming to the end? Not to mention that to many unspoiled viewers who are going solely based on the edit, they think he's picking Raven because Vanessa "argues too much".

Hotmomma wrote:It is very difficult to tell who was first!
I still think it's odd that V had her LCD first. And Raven's second!
I just keep remembering Nick saying something about the ending will  not end they way you think!
He is well aware of the spoiler...just gives me pause..To be honest I haven't spent much time sleuthing..
( real life took over )

Look at Nick's IG and the captions:

With Raven, he was away from her and the caption is generic, imo. Interestingly Raven posted a similar one but they were kissing. With Vanessa, it's more intimate and personal, the caption as well. I think Nick's mom also like this pic too. I have no doubt who he picked just by looking these two pics. There's more clues that makes me believe Vanessa is f1. Jmo.



Source: Nick's IG

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They only had 5.5h between sunrise and sunset on November 18th. Not much time if you consider women getting ready, ITMs sending F2 home and the proposal. This shot with Vanessa walking with Chris might be just for promo purposes. http://www.timebie.com/sun/rovaniemifi.php

To add further prior sleuthing, there is a s/cap of Nick in the cabin. There is a window you can see outside and it appears to be late afternoon, same as Vanessa's s/cap in her pic. One with him in his FRC suit outside, where it appears to be lighter and perhaps after he let Raven go? IIRC, going to look for them now.

Yup, saw that too. With the hours we know filming for this show takes, it wouldn't be the least surprising to learn that they filmed a "fake" walk with both women and Chris Harrison for promotional purposes.