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Post by dw_a_mom Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:19 pm

I think often the leads true second choice is let go at third. They know who they want after the overnights (if not earlier), and the timing will have to do with a lot of things beyond the ranking process.


Just give me something that looks like a real love story to help me escape into my own version of fantasy for a while. And maybe against the odds one of those stories will actually survive real life. Nothing wrong with a little hope, right?
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Post by Guest Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:30 pm

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Post by emusha Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:46 am

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coolangel wrote:IMO At 36 and far from being a relationship newbie, Nick knows both what he wants and what he needs. I hope he found both of those in his F1. JMO.

Actually if there is one thing we can take from his 4 times on this show and Nick's own words while reflecting on his time on this show - imo - it is that he knows very very clearly what he wants hence - Andi and Kaitlyn and his "Type" - strong outspoken woman who challenges him but one thing we do know that even he repeatedly doubts his ability to make the ultimate pick i.e. knowing what he needs. He's admitted many times that he was so so sure of his decision to propose to both the women on bette and in retrospect (again 20-20 vision) it was very much the wrong choice for him. This in my opinion is the clearest insight we have about Nick > that he has a very particular type of ideal woman but he doesn't really know what he needs vs. what he wants. IMO this bach season is his journey to learning the difference and clarifying actually what he does need.

Wanted to follow this train of thought. During the previews for next week Nick is sitting with his dad in the outfits they're wearing on Vanessa's date and dad says "she seems very much the type of woman that in the past you have been attracted to but you haven't had a lot of success." So dad totally sees what I'm seeing 100%. Nick also says he can't proclaim this is that much diff than with Andi and Kaitlyn in how he was so confident with them too in the past.

Felt like Nick echoed the thoughts I've had since the beginning of this season in the FS episode and in this interview - he sees the risk for conflict in his relationship with Vanessa since she's "stubborn and hard-headed" like him ....though he gave a non-answer in this interview. Always was what I'd suspected - hope it's the right choice for them and a fulfilling and great relationship. And as I had always suspected -- the main issue with Rachel was time for the process. There wasn't enough of it.

Interesting comments from Nick - doesn't look like he's moving to Canada based on these answers.


Glamour: You said your relationship with Vanessa has the potential to have more conflict. Can this really work?

Nick: Well, I have a big personality, and I’ve been attracted to women with big personalities. I think that is usually going to happen when you have big personalities. I could say the same about Raven and Rachel when we had those conversations, but they chose to show that between Vanessa and me. I kind of quite liked watching that back because, to me, I had those conversations with Raven and Rachel [and it's] important to have them. You have to challenge. It’s all great to be like, "You’re great, we’re great, let’s all talk about the great things." But I think it speaks to the seriousness of the relationship that Vanessa and I had at the time and our willingness to make sure it was real.

Glamour: You said, "I’m a proud American! I don’t know if I see myself in Canada." That's a bold statement when you're considering getting engaged to a Canadian.

Nick: I’m very progressive in a lot of ways, but I’m a very proud American. It sounds so corny to say, but I am and have always been very…I’m just so proud. I don’t ever not want to live in America. And Canada is great! I love Canada. A lot of great things in Canada. But…

Glamour: Would you move to Montreal if you were to end up with Vanessa?

Nick: I would do anything for love. [Pause] But I want to live in America. [Laughs]

Glamour: We really didn’t see you give viewers a reason for why you said goodbye to Rachel.

Nick: So for me with Rachel, I didn’t have a reason to send her home. It was about the other women. I think in another world where I’m not the Bachelor, who knows what could have happened with Rachel and I. But it was The Bachelor, there were two other women, and there were two other women that I felt stronger about.

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Post by ReneeM Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:28 am

There's some speculation about the note Rachel gave to Raven and whether she knew she was going home or not. Christen was on after buzz last night, and she was talking about Rachel. She said Rachel was the first girl she met and she knew right away that she was either gonna win or be the next bachelorette. And @ WTA, she told Rachel she knew Rachel that Rachel was gonna be the bachelorette and Rachel said "I didn't. That was pure & real shock because up until the very last moment, I thought I was gonna win". I paraphrased slightly but yeah. They also talked about how everyone seems to love Rachel and asked her if that's how it really was and they kind of needled her until she confirmed that was someone who wasn't a fan of Rachel (I assume Vanessa) but she wouldn't name the person and said she didn't want to speak on what the issue was because she wasn't there when 'it' happened.

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Post by Kashathediva Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:06 pm

So interesting, imo that the key word used is "win" vs "falling in love or being in love".



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Post by Guest Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:06 pm

It highlights how competitive Rachel is and how important winning is to her. I thought the convo abt her blowing a gasket after the volleyball game was very telling. We had deduced the fight between Rachel and Vanessa started from that point, and now from what Nick said last night, Rachel went psycho when Nick let the losing team come to the party. I can imagine the words that were hurled. imo.

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Post by Carine Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:21 pm

New interview with Rachel
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Interesting answers also from the discussion about her type, she mentions Idris Elba here and I am just nodding along lool..

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Post by Sprite Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:25 pm

Kashathediva wrote:So interesting, imo that the key word used is "win" vs "falling in love or being in love".

BKay wrote:It highlights how competitive Rachel is and how important winning is to her. I thought the convo abt her blowing a gasket after the volleyball game was very telling. We had deduced the fight between Rachel and Vanessa started from that point, and now from what Nick said last night, Rachel went psycho when Nick let the losing team come to the party. I can imagine the words that were hurled. imo.

That competitiveness could come back to bite her. I can see tptb using that against her ... along with the whole "keeping it real 100%" which I actually find really annoying. To me it's just an excuse for when people are rude. Rachel has been able to keep it together for the most part ... other than the fight with Vanessa which we didn't get to see and the tantrum during the volleyball game ... but I found it interesting that Nick brought that up during their FD. I also think tptb will do a lot more things to get a similar reaction from her during her season. They now know she can lose it and will do everything in their power to make it so.

It will be very different being the bette, with a whole new set of pressures, that I don't think Rachel will fully appreciate until it is all over. Should be interesting.


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Post by Billysmom Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:51 pm

I don't recall anything about a note from Rachel to Raven??? Maybe I dozed off was taking a little nap?
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Post by Guest Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:53 pm

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Post by GuardianAngel Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:05 pm

I don’t get caught up in everything that’s around me. I’m just very direct, and I think that’s another thing with the intimidation thing. Some people can’t handle that I’m direct.

Reading that, I'm wondering what her reaction is when someone is direct with her? Did she really not get caught up in everything around her? Obviously she did with Vanessa.

Sorry, I'm just not crazy about her approach and her wording in general. A career driven woman not being able to find love as if she's the only one? IMO There are plenty of women that haven't met their HEA and they aren't all lawyers. They could be working for minimum wage 12 hours a day or have two jobs to make ends meet working 15 hours a day. They are driven to work and pay bills, not because it's their career taking orders in a drive through. IMO It's not all about fancy suits when it comes to meeting the right person. She's coming across IMO full of herself.

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Post by bleuberry Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:13 pm

I can see why it would sound that way based on transcripts of her interviews. And there were a few others where I could see it too. But when I see her in video and video interviews, I don't get that vibe from her at all (re: being a better Bette because she's a lawyer).


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