Rachel Lindsay - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - #2

We are being quoted on another forum, already. I guessed 12 hours before media, we have 11 hours left.

For those who read our forum, and decide it's in your best interest to take our information and at the same time trash us, I hope you at least enjoyed yourself.

IMO until rachel types or says yes I do not like vanessa I don't see how that is carrying grudge or insulting/ smack talking about her. We are all making inferences based on the presumption that she answered a question that we don't know considering rachel and Alexis did not state what questions they were answering.

The phrase I have seen repeated on the forum so many times is that the girls are bitter because nick didn't like them and picked vanessa. IMO not that there is anything wrong with nick, but why is there an assumption that he is so amazing that he will elicit bitterness in these women. It is alright for the women to have either positive or negative feelings about their experience. To me social media is just something else, words and meaning get misconstrued and as can be seen today people just need to be careful.

The root of all these problem would just be RS spoilers that said there was an argument between Rachel and vanessa, if not people would not always link the actions of rachel towards bitterness from whatever happened. I for one will be glad when this season is over and vanessa and nick are announced as a couple because the focus hopefully will not be on vanessa vs. everyone especially in regards to Rachel and moving into the bachelorette. For all the girls, IMO just a moment on social media to me has no bearance on who they are in real life.

reason wrote:Alexis said Vanessa said something bad about Rachel behind her back, RS said there was a fight and all of the girls that was left behind took Rachel side.  The producers did not show the fight but RS said Vanessa was the mini villian.  All this I read here in one thread or another.  Now Rachel said she does not Like Vanessa, I'm I gonna be upset? no because if someone goes behind my back and say something about me, I am gonna keep it real and dont speak to the person.  During the show in the St thomas episode if I remember correctly (Rachel did say to Nick know I was there) and we all were wondering what was that all about.  Maybe the fight was there, they just did not show.  Everything is speculation until someone comes right out and said this is what happen.  If someone is laughing when asked a question to me personally it is better to laugh than to say anything.  To me let it go.  AMO.  I will be watching, if she choose not to go back to her job so be it, she has not said that she wont, she just finish a trial as she said to Ellen.  Life is unpredictable, we dont know when the end is near.  Be bless and move on I say. IMHO

Actually RS said most of the women took Rachel's side, not all as I keep reading. Wasn't Danielle M. still there? Pretty sure she would've backed Vanessa. In any case, I don't believe Vanessa did anything hideous. TPTB wouldn't pass up on showing that just to protect the F1. If they're trying to protect someone it's Rachel, since she's the next lead. And no, I'm not saying the fight was Rachel's fault either, but I do believe it made them both look bad, not just Vanessa. I think it's more likely that some of the women just didn't like Vanessa, maybe thought she was attention seeking or resented her for being Nick's favourite, and so everything she said and did took a life of its own inside this clique. Whatever it was, it's been months and Rachel is the next lead, so I would definitely expect her to take the high road. Now I'm worried she's gonna be Andi 2.0, someone who revels in being nasty towards those who cross her in any way. Hopefully she just got carried away, but I do find it disappointing. I'm giving Vanessa the benefit of the doubt simply because she hasn't said anything bad about Rachel or posted any cliquish comments on SM. Seems to me she's put whatever happened behind her, while the clique still enjoy showing their distaste. I find the former more respectable, but that's just me. JMO.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] they went on a show to compete for the lead's choice as the F1. They didn't get chosen, goodbye. They IMO have no right to be bitter about anything. That's the nature of the show, whether it be Nick Tom Dick or Harry.

Rachel did not follow Vanessa back on SM. Sleuthers, here, because they are so great, realized there may have been an issue.

SM to me, tells me everything I need to know about most of these contestants this season post filming.

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], IA! After all, we all watch the same show every Monday night and still have vastly different opinions in certain instances.

I would be very happy if she turn around and just walk away from the show right now, and put everything behind her. I wish the show had shown what really happen and let everyone make up their own mind right or wrong.

I am tired of hearing Reality Steve said this, Reality Steve said that. He was NOT and will NOT ever be a cast member. He was not there on any season. So everything RS says is his OPINION based on second hand HEARSAY. And RS is ALWAYS BIASED. IMO. RS is full of his relative UNimportance and self serving CRAP. IMO.

Regardless of what Rachel's issue with Vanessa is....she is being petty, bitter and ridiculous IMO. Get OVER it Rachel. Rachel is the Bachelorette and IMO she knew it well in advance.  Her actions turn me off. She is coming across as an Entitled Mean Girl and Boss of the Squad. IMO.

All JMO....rant over

I honestly don't think anyone outside of the top 3 cared enough about Nick to be 'bitter'. IMO they hate Vanessa for reasons currently unknown, but IMO that's where the drama is. I don't think any of them would snark on Nick if he chose Rachel or Raven, which eliminates the argument that they're just bitter he eliminated them. IMO Nuance is important and something that's missing in today's society. I don't think Rachel should've answered that question, I also don't think she's some terrible person for having answered a question, if the worst thing people can say about you is that you said you didn't like someone, I think you're doing pretty well in life. The other party isn't above some SM shade herself, so I get the feeling that in time, we'll get to know more. All JMO.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] did she say she knew in advance?  Is there an interview that said so? Please I would like to read it.  I am defending Rachel just like I defended Nick when he was been boil like a bunny rabit.  I still like Rachel and I still love Nick. IMHO.  Watching college basketball and reading here is frying my brains .

ReneeM wrote:I honestly don't think anyone outside of the top 3 cared enough about Nick to be 'bitter'. IMO they hate Vanessa for reasons currently unknown, but IMO that's where the drama is. I don't think any of them would snark on Nick if he chose Rachel or Raven, which eliminates the argument that they're just bitter he eliminated them. IMO Nuance is important and something that's missing in today's society. I don't think Rachel should've answered that question, I also don't think she's some terrible person for having answered a question, if the worst thing people can say about you is that you said you didn't like someone, I think you're doing pretty well in life. The other party isn't above some SM shade herself, so I get the feeling that in time, we'll get to know more. All JMO.

I agree. I don't think it had anything to do with Nick choosing Vanessa over the other women. It's way too simplistic and I, personally, want to give both Rachel and Vanessa more credit than that. Whatever the reason was for that disagreement, it was between Rachel and Vanessa. I think neither of them are saints nor heroes, in spite of how many people sided with whom (popular votes? pffft. ). I think they both have different perspectives of what happened as there's always two sides to every story. And to paraphrase Nick for a sec, I don't think either one of them came off as good or as bad as we think.

As far as the IG video.... Rachel had every right to answer that question, but I think it would've been the wiser decision to disregard it. And FTR, I think I remember saying that it would've been wiser for Vanessa not to like pacozero's comment re: Nick's bored expression when talking to DLo. So I hope I'm not coming across biased here.

IMO, I do think she's bitter and lashing out on the simple fact that who Nick chose is someone she doesn't like. A mature person would go above that and just simply not comment. Again, what exactly does Rachel gain from talking about V when she's the new ette? NOTHING.

JMO

IMHO I dont think it is about Nick, I think it was what was said about her behind her back. JMO.