Rachel Lindsay - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

emusha wrote:

Catdwoman50 wrote:^^[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I will disagree re: front runner - I sincerely believe that based on the order of dates, Nick requested for Vanessa's date to be sooner than later, to me that is Nick chasing. Him being very attentive to Vanessa during the 0-G date was him chasing Vanessa. I think the difference is that by the time dinner time came around Vanessa also showed her enthusiasm about whatever Nick had started and began reciprocating. V&N are more reciprocal I believe. Whereas R&N is more of Nick trying to draw Rachel out of her shell. My .02 cents.

well I don't feel so strongly about the word "frontrunner" cos what does that even mean?? and this is all based on what we see so I'm not trying to argue that specific point but I do think that Vanessa has been pursuing Nick much more openly over the last few episodes while on the other hand, Nick has been pursuing Rachel openly... my caveat is ultimately its all a moot point and will matter is how they would have built a relationship. In one of his recent interviews Nick was saying "It's good you guys can pick it out when it's all a haze for me" regarding people saying they could tell V was F1 from night one...

their very first interaction Vanessa told Nick that she hoped he was the bachelor and she felt like it was 'meant to be' when he ended up being the bach. She was very complimentary of him at the beginning of their dinner date 'thank you for being you...it was special that you took care of me' etc. we haven't heard Nick discuss her attributes specifically so far but he does discuss their interactions and the gift from her students, how protective he feels about her "i like taking care of you", he discusses how optimistic he feels - how much fun he had and how he cares for her etc.

With Rachel from the first day when he gave her the first rose, he was all compliments, he reaffirms those compliments the next time they talk. Then he states he'll be very patient with helping her "get there" and he's very glad she's opening up to him because that's the best step. When she says she's trying... he tells her he "wants someone who wants to". He again is full of compliments during their date and he flat out states that he's "super into her". he also initiates a lot of physical touch with her.

Regarding the examples you listed
1. We know that date orders are generally a negotiation between the lead and production - in bette seasons the F1 and F2 generally get dates later on in the show..
2. I totally think Nick taking care of Vanessa bonded them to have intimacy more than with any other woman but I don't see how that is him "pursuing her". I don't see him fascinated to learn every little thing about her in their conversation as he is with Rachel and he doesn't point out specific attributes of hers during the convos - this might be the edit but if so the edit isnt showing him pursuing V in the way he's pursuing Rachel -- so far! ALL IMHO

My disclaimer - I honestly don't think it matters in the end of this show whehter he was initially interested in Rachel or Vanessa -- over the weeks the relationships change and they get to know each other for real... I will even go far enough to say that in this show it doesn't even ultimately matter who the lead chose as F1 cos the true test will be wether they have compatibility beyond the romance of this show (note: the speculation in the ben and lauren page to see what I mean)

ReneeM wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I think there is an issue, idk what or how big but consistently last night when Rachel and Vanessa are in the same space and Vanessa's speaking, Rachel's face says it all IMO. The scene in the hotel where Vanessa's doing that fun fact thing, and on the catamaran when Vanessa kept yelling her responses.

ReneeM wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] When Nick was asking, christmas/halloween and chocolate/vanilla. The yelling annoyed me so maybe she was also just annoyed in the moment, but I tied it back to the hotel room and it seems to tell a hidden story IMO.

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