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Post by lleyki Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:00 am

Actually he's always been clear that she didn't lie about events regarding him but that she does have a way of omitting things and interpreting things in her own way. So not inconsistent with saying yes, we had sex, yes I said the F-word but all the other stuff could very well just be Andi's own interpretation of how it happened.

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Post by Nonina430 Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:06 am

Touché friend.

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Post by MiaHawk Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:18 am

I think she may have taken some creative liberties when describing that event. How many liberties we will never know. Like I said, in the past I tried to give the benefit of the doubt regarding the context of Nick's question and answer to Would you Rather. But the more I think about his (supposed) answer F the first 3 times then ML, the more odd and awkward that answer seems. I am trying to figure out a way to look at that statement (supposedly) said during the FS date, and see what Nick was possibly trying to accomplish/convey by saying that. All of the things that I have come up with as to the meaning of his words are negative connotations. All I can say as advice to him is this: if you are a very good kisser (and I get the feeling he is), use that as your seduction tool and not awkward games that can backfire.
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Post by SueSt Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:28 am

Kashathediva wrote:What trumps an extremely awkward moment? IMO re-telling such in even more graphic terms for the masses to play it out all over, again and again.  SMH.
It may have been a turn off to her, but re-hashing it, IMO, will be a major wake-up call and future turn off to others.

OMG YES!! I can't imagine any man sleeping with her again without a pre-sex? -relationship? -gossip? contract!
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Post by SueSt Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:34 am

lleyki wrote:
3) Before I directly read that except on the page, I used to give Nick the benefit of the doubt surrounding the context of the question (was it as part of a conversation or a flirty exchange). The way it is written it sounds like it was a really awkward moment and a turn off.
IMO

Except, keep in mind that this is Andi's retelling of what happened. While Nick hasn't been like Josh dismissing the book as entirely fiction, he's always maintained that Andi does have a habit of omitting anything that doesn't make her look great and having her own versions of events.

It's like the premise of the show The Affair, which is centered around the fact that two people can remember the exact same incident but have distinctly different versions of it because the old saying, "your perception is your reality".

So what we do know as fact is that Nick and Andi slept together and maybe he did use the F-word but keeping in mind that she was writing the book from a place of still resenting him for exposing that they slept together at the ATFR and still on some level blaming that decision on her relationship with Josh falling apart, there was no way she was going to describe it as amazing.

That said, for something that turned her off so much, she sure spent a lot of time gushing to her sister about how passionate Nick was and passionate things between them were, when he met her family. This when she already knew that she was picking Josh.

Is there anything MORE awkward than Andi rating his performance ????
And YES on the sister gushing. She can say whatever she wants but her actions/revelations speak louder!!!
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Post by SueSt Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:40 am

Nick is wise to not give his side of his/Andi's sex story. There is no winner to a game of he said/she said, particularly around such a personal topic.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. - Abraham Lincoln
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Post by sbolduc Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:30 am

Nick talked about the would you rather question in his interview with Juliet on the Channel 33 podcast. I thought it provided a small amount of context from his side of story.
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Post by GuardianAngel Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:58 am

All good points everyone, but please lets leave Andi out of this thread.

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Post by SueSt Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:28 pm

GuardianAngel wrote:All good points everyone, but please lets leave Andi out of this thread.

TYIA

Oops sorry. Noted.
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Post by Stacia620 Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:06 pm

http://www.etonline.com/news/198269_exclusive_ben_higgins_and_lauren_bushnell_talk_nick_viall_camping_trip_with_chad_johnson/
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Post by bluwavz Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:06 pm

Stacia620 wrote:http://www.etonline.com/news/198269_exclusive_ben_higgins_and_lauren_bushnell_talk_nick_viall_camping_trip_with_chad_johnson/

BenLo are spot-on about Nick needing a challenge. I'm sure he'll be flattered by the women who throw themselves at him but I bet that will get old and tired really quickly for him. The woman he will fall for is totally going to be a someone who isn't as easily impressed and someone he'll have to win over. JMO.
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Post by casjacknick Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:05 pm

What is funny about that is I think they recognize that because Lauren did a bit of that as well and it clearly had Ben chasing her. It may just be good advice period for this odd situation. I think an important mix of I am here and therefore interested but I am not already in love with you and picking out baby names is probably the best approach. Some sort of challenge but not stand offish combo. Maybe coy is the word I am looking for? Just in case any contestants are reading this last minute while packing!


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