Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Richie Strahan - F1-F6 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

AllAboutLove wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] only 2 episodes left - F3 episode on Wednesday Sept 14 and FRC episode is Thursday Sept 15 (summaries posted [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.])

Thank you so much, @AAL. I can't wait to see who he picks, but will be sad that it's over, if you know what I mean. I hope the Ette Canada is fun to watch. ; )

YW [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I know what you mean and hopefully it will be a great finale

Bette Canada S1 starts Sept 13 and also Bette Australia S2 starts Sept 21. There's threads for both seasons ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) and they both look great to watch and sleuth so hope you and others will join us in those threads

AllAboutLove wrote:YW [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I know what you mean and hopefully it will be a great finale

Ette Canada S1 starts Sept 13 and also Ette Australia S2 starts Sept 21 and there's threads for both season and they both look great so to watch and sleuth. Hope you and others will join us in those threads

@AAL Oh boy, I didn't know the Ette AU was starting so soon. I like watching the AU seasons better than any of the others, I think. I'd love to live there. It's so beautiful. At first glance I wasn't too umped about the Ette they chose but I image she will be a good one.Seems like it's been so long since I watched any of the Canada ones I can't remember if they are really good like AU and NZ are.

I kinda worry about the ending of AU this season only because one of the US producers are the ones producing it.

Thank you. Oh yes, I will be there reading all of the wonderful thoughts our members have about the shows. That's the best part to me.

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Hanate wrote:Wish it were Wednesday already I just want to know who is joining alex in F2 I think going by s/caps it seems definitely  it will be olena as s/caps always tell the truth but I can't shake nikkis edit she seemed so solid as F1 to me up until last week. What does everyone else think atm.

I think Nikki is a very confident narrator.
Listening to what she tells Richie and her family members plus what she says in ITMS is like listening to the voice of certainty. Racheal recently gave an interview in which she echoed that certainty about the Nikki/Richie relationship.  
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In this interview, Racheal basically discounts Olena.  Nikki and Racheal may share this opinion.
This brings me to something Olena said during her HTD.  She said "he chooses".

I think if Nikki were not to be in the final 2 she would be blindsided as she seemed unprepared for the possibility whereby IMO both Alex and Olena have kept the possibility in mind that they may not be chosen in the end.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I am one of those that believe that the edit for Nikki was an obvious one without an obstacle & therefore not a typical F1 edit. IMO all story arcs on this series are edited with some sort of obstacle to overcome either coming from the lead or from the F1. I provided my perspective of this season's edit on Page 50 of this thread so you check it out.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...yes IA that Nikki projected confidence in her relationship on the ITMs & to Rachel in particular. Rachel mentioned in one of her interviews, that she surmised how deep Nikki's connection was based on conversations they had. It is also possible that Rachel was the one that sowed that thought to the other girls that Richie had already chosen Nikki since there was a conversation that took place in the house which led to Alex's breakdown at the CP. We also know that most of the eliminated girls said Nikki was going to be the F1 because she had the most connection with Richie. The question I have is what this based on observation at CPs only or was that impression based on discussions that the girls had in the house based on what they were told by Rachel? Alex said in an ITM that she didn't go into details about specifics of her dates & we know that Olena was a vault according to the girls.

IMHO it is very possible that Nikki's producer was telling her that she was the front runner & this could have added to her confidence. I say this because based on what we have been shown, I have not heard Richie say anything to any of the F3 to indicate that they were "the one" but SCMIW.

I am looking forward to hearing Nikki's interview post show because it will hopefully shed light more on the source of her confidence.....all jmo.

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This brings me to something Olena said during her HTD. She said "he chooses".

What do you mean by this?

Idlemess wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:

This brings me to something Olena said during her HTD.  She said "he chooses".

What do you mean by this?  

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], when Olena sat down at the HTD to discuss with her dad; he reminded her that Richie has 4 girls to choose from & she only has Richie & Olena responded to her dad by saying that "it's true that he chooses" basically summarizing what her dad was trying to tell her with those words which IMO implies Richie is the one choosing & not any of the girls....hope this makes sense.

I love that her dad reminded her that he chooses.
We sometimes as viewers pay too much attention to what one of the contestants say as oposed to what the Lead says or does. When the contestant talks about their relationship with the
Lead we assume the lead feels or edhoes the same sentiment and this is why I always always watch who the
Lead is chasing, what he Lead says, what the Lead does, what the Lead initiates and NOT the Lead's response.
Nikki talking about her strong connection in a confident manner is not the same as Richie doing it. Heather did the same during Sam Woods season. I remember the oF2 in Bache NZ season 1 did the same thing. The Lead always chooses and that is key.

mercieme wrote:

Idlemess wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:

This brings me to something Olena said during her HTD.  She said "he chooses".

What do you mean by this?  

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], when Olena sat down at the HTD to discuss with her dad; he reminded her that Richie has 4 girls to choose from & she only has Richie & Olena responded to her dad by saying that "it's true that he chooses" basically summarizing what her dad was trying to tell her with those words which IMO implies Richie is the one choosing & not any of the girls....hope this makes sense.

Thank you. It made sense

Beautifully said notarose, see2love, mercieme
and the girl has a choice whether to accept or decline ... and Olena going forward after HTD is an answer to her "father's approval" question ... since she said she wouldn't fight for a guy who her father didn't approve ... so now her choice is whether she's willing to relocate (one day), since her dad gave her an insight that it's her who will have to make a move.

I feel the other hometown dates was about finding out if Richie was going to choose their family member. With Olena's it felt more like Richie sucking up to Olena's dad (the numerous times he called Olena's dad's name Andrej) so Olena's dad likes him so that Olena could get her father's approval. imo

Exactly Living. That's what struck me at the 1st viewing ... him trying to impress her dad... knowing how much his opinion matters to Olena.
Also, reading about Richie and Olena's "distance" while sitting with her family ... it's traditional eastern eu. family we were seeing, the formal manners are demanded and no obvious affection in front of the parents, also, it was a group of 5 people, they didn't have a need to squeeze, there was enough of room for everyone.

see2love wrote:I love that her dad reminded her that he chooses.
We sometimes as viewers pay too much attention to what one of the contestants say as oposed to what the Lead says or does. When the contestant talks about their relationship with the
Lead we assume the lead feels or edhoes the same sentiment and this is why I always always watch who the
Lead is chasing, what he Lead says, what the Lead does, what the Lead initiates and NOT the Lead's response.
Nikki talking about her strong connection in a confident manner is not the same as Richie doing it. Heather did the same during Sam Woods season. I remember the oF2 in Bache NZ season 1 did the same thing. The Lead always chooses and that is key.

Major lightbulb moment for me!

As soon as I read your sentence about the F2 in Bach NZ season 1 - I thought omg Nikki is like Dani. They get on amazing with the lead, everything seems perfect BUT and here's the quandary  - the lead is not actively chasing them. Well the edit hasn't shown that he is - Hmmmmmmm...... Something for me to ponder today.