Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Richie Strahan - F1-F6 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

LeapofFaith wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

Just Looking wrote:snipped..
I just watched Nikki and Richie's last SD and OMG, I melted again.  There's definitely something going on  there.  He says a lot of lovely things about her as well as to her in a really tender, genuine way.  Plus he seems to be so happy and relaxed with her. That's how I see it.

IA that's what I see as well.

It's interesting seeing everyone's POV....I watched it again as well and I found really heartwarming when Nikki said she doesn't want to live life with regrets and is just so open with him... That takes some guts, but then I found interesting how Richie responded, he said something about a life and all "he sees is a future with nothing but roses" And some other stuff after but that wording was either IMO a hint for her that he is falling for her too or something to just keep her hopes up...I don't know ... but then she said thank you (so that made me think well she def believes what he said was he is falling) ....though I still believe Olena is f1 jmo

I too have watched Richie and Nikki's 2nd date again, as well as his time with Olena under the gazebo.
With Nikki he is a really soft and goofy and I can definitely see them together at the end.
He is also really nice with Olena but his goofy side doesn't come out and (as someone posted earlier) he asserts his masculinity more.
I may be just stating the obvious here but while he is unsure of Olena's feelings, he too holds back from totally relaxing with her. With Nikki he doesn't have to hold back because he can be confident of her feelings and immerse himself in being with her romantically. I see the statement he makes to Nikki, 'What we have is real' alluding to this.

I'm inclined to think that at this point in the show, he may not have given his heart to one over the other.
At this point what he has with Nikki is more developed because it is more known.
He and Olena are still an unknown.
IMO
Can't wait to see how it all pans out

romance realist wrote:

LeapofFaith wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

IA that's what I see as well.

It's interesting seeing everyone's POV....I watched it again as well and I found really heartwarming when Nikki said she doesn't want to live life with regrets and is just so open with him... That takes some guts, but then I found interesting how Richie responded, he said something about a life and all "he sees is a future with nothing but roses" And some other stuff after but that wording was either IMO a hint for her that he is falling for her too or something to just keep her hopes up...I don't know ... but then she said thank you (so that made me think well she def believes what he said was he is falling) ....though I still believe Olena is f1 jmo

I too have watched Richie and Nikki's 2nd date again, as well as his time with Olena under the gazebo.
With Nikki he is a really soft and goofy and I can definitely see them together at the end.
He is also really nice with Olena but his goofy side doesn't come out and (as someone posted earlier) he asserts his masculinity more.
I may be just stating the obvious here but while he is unsure of Olena's feelings, he too holds back from totally relaxing with her. With Nikki he doesn't have to hold back because he can be confident of her feelings and immerse himself in being with her romantically. I see the statement he makes to Nikki, 'What we have is real' alluding to this.

I'm inclined to think that at this point in the show, he may not have given his heart to one over the other.
At this point what he has with Nikki is more developed because it is more known.
He and Olena are still an unknown.
IMO
Can't wait to see how it all pans out

 

@romance realist  do you have telepathic talents? Because I was thinking the exact same thing

Well done on an excellent post that is articulated and clear. It will be interesting to see how Richie responds if/when Olena starts to open up more.

As I wrote in general thread ... I see resemblance in edit with Jojo's season where she had Jordan (F1) and Robby (F2) to choose from ... and while we could hear Jojo state so many great qualities of Robby ... because in her mind he was this great, amazing man, deserving of love, who would love her completely and with no doubt, no fear of ever disappointing her (is this realistically possible?), someone who she could feel protected and accepted ... and most importantly trust (opposite of what was depicted of Jordan).
And still that wasn't what her heart was longing for. Yes, he was "perfectly painted", but that "spark" she had only with Jordan, who might not be the perfect man, but boy she was "under his spell" - all IMO.
So it really comes to that quote Olena was introduced with (paraphrasing)
it doesn't matter what you say or do ... it matters how you make a person feel ...

I think that Olena is F1 and that's why we don't hear from Richie say much about how great she is ... because it's all about what he feels when he's with her (or not, but just thinking all the time about her (-quote))  ... while for Nikki (who I still think is F2) he is trying to make sense of why she would be a great match to him, by putting in words all her good traits and qualities ... Not sure if it is to convince us ... or himself? (edit wise)

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ... that "rose colored future" that Richie sees with Nikki is exactly why I see this distinction between her and Olena as I saw between Robby and Jordan.
When the edit tries to paint one specific difference between the 2 finalist ... in this case I believe the "opening up/trust" issue ... which Nikki is passing with flying colors and Olena not.

happygolucky wrote:As I wrote in general thread ... I see resemblance in edit with Jojo's season where she had Jordan (F1) and Robby (F2) to choose from ... and while we could hear Jojo state so many great qualities of Robby ... because in her mind he was this great, amazing man, deserving of love, who would love her completely and with no doubt, no fear of ever disappointing her (is this realistically possible?), someone who she could feel protected and accepted ... and most importantly trust (opposite of what was depicted of Jordan).
And still that wasn't what her heart was longing for. Yes, he was "perfectly painted", but that "spark" she had only with Jordan, who might not be the perfect man, but boy she was "under his spell" - all IMO.
So it really comes to that quote Olena was introduced with (paraphrasing)
it doesn't matter what you say or do ... it matters how you make a person feel ...

I think that Olena is F1 and that's why we don't hear from Richie say much about how great she is ... because it's all about what he feels when he's with her (or not, but just thinking all the time about her (-quote))  ... while for Nikki (who I still think is F2) he is trying to make sense of why she would be a great match to him, by putting in words all her good traits and qualities ... Not sure if it is to convince us ... or himself? (edit wise)

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ... that "rose colored future" that Richie sees with Nikki is exactly why I see this distinction between her and Olena as I saw between Robby and Jordan.
When the edit tries to paint one specific difference between the 2 finalist ... in this case I believe the "opening up/trust" issue ... which Nikki is passing with flying colors and Olena not.

All good thoughts and some of the reasons why the final episodes are captivating us.
While we don't know what Richie is thinking we see the risk management of romance on the run.
Nikki seems low risk - she has great qualities that he admires and her affections for Richie are out in the open.
Olena is even a bit hard to pin down on risk IMO - while her affections for Richie are not fully realised or declared, her intention to not speed up her feelings or mislead are declared.
I do completely agree that in the end his choice will come down mostly to intangibles that can be suggested but never really seen.

romance realist wrote:

happygolucky wrote:As I wrote in general thread ... I see resemblance in edit with Jojo's season where she had Jordan (F1) and Robby (F2) to choose from ... and while we could hear Jojo state so many great qualities of Robby ... because in her mind he was this great, amazing man, deserving of love, who would love her completely and with no doubt, no fear of ever disappointing her (is this realistically possible?), someone who she could feel protected and accepted ... and most importantly trust (opposite of what was depicted of Jordan).
And still that wasn't what her heart was longing for. Yes, he was "perfectly painted", but that "spark" she had only with Jordan, who might not be the perfect man, but boy she was "under his spell" - all IMO.
So it really comes to that quote Olena was introduced with (paraphrasing)
it doesn't matter what you say or do ... it matters how you make a person feel ...

I think that Olena is F1 and that's why we don't hear from Richie say much about how great she is ... because it's all about what he feels when he's with her (or not, but just thinking all the time about her (-quote))  ... while for Nikki (who I still think is F2) he is trying to make sense of why she would be a great match to him, by putting in words all her good traits and qualities ... Not sure if it is to convince us ... or himself? (edit wise)

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ... that "rose colored future" that Richie sees with Nikki is exactly why I see this distinction between her and Olena as I saw between Robby and Jordan.
When the edit tries to paint one specific difference between the 2 finalist ... in this case I believe the "opening up/trust" issue ... which Nikki is passing with flying colors and Olena not.

All good thoughts and some of the reasons why the final episodes are captivating us.
While we don't know what Richie is thinking we see the risk management of romance on the run.
Nikki seems low risk - she has great qualities that he admires and her affections for Richie are out in the open.
Olena is even a bit hard to pin down on risk IMO - while her affections for Richie are not fully realised or declared, her intention to not speed up her feelings or mislead are declared.
I do completely agree that in the end his choice will come down mostly to intangibles that can be suggested but never really seen.

When you put it like that, it does sound more and more like Olena is F1. I just kept thinking that she is very young and that her lifestyle mightn't suit Richie's, but the hear wants what the heart wants.

Guys just a reminder it was stated that Richie had an emotional rose ceremony before going to Bali, who the hell could that be?! We know it's not Olena, we know it's not Alex (the boat girl IMO is Alex), he wouldn't be that emotional if it was Rachael. Soooo.....

They gave us in the preview the F3 girls (like they did it with Sam W. season) It´s Rachael, Alex and Olena. You tend to forget that in doubt the preview screencaps tell the story. It`s like the last season all over again. Heather was running out of Screencaps but only a few wanted to listen. IMO

I joined this forum years ago because of one similar reality-TV show (ready for love) that didn't last long (and was aired only online) and despite many differences there's something that makes me think about the "compatibility edit". There was a guy Tim (a musician in his 30s, divorced from his HS sweetheart) and his F3 women: 1 beauty - the youngest, fresh out of college, from the city (same as his), who he had an incredible chemistry with, 1 goofy - who was near his age, heart on a sleeve kinda person, an artist too (a painter), who made him laugh with her self-deprecating ways (she was my fave) and 1 cutey, near his age, who had a sad story of losing her late husband, but was ready for a new life to give herself to a new man, a musician too, she found him a perfect match and he loved so many great qualities about her ...
the critique (from the commentators not the lead) for the first girl was that her approach was too superficial, that they didn't talk enough to establish a deeper bond and that it was all based on physical attraction, that there was no mental/emotional connection and that they were at 2 different stages in life ... while the third woman was praised for her beautiful soul, kind spirit, same stage in life as the lead and being a wife material.
You can guess the order of the finalist: F1 the beauty, F2 the cutey F3 the goofy ... Well, today they are married (1st ann.) and after the finale they said that their connection was instant, that they didn't question it and that they talked just as much as in any other relationship he had with the women on the show, but it was never shown.
That's why I'm wary to believe all the praises that the lead gives to any woman ... because it almost feels like ... there's a "but" coming after. - All JMO.

happygolucky wrote:I joined this forum years ago because of one similar reality-TV show (ready for love) that didn't last long (and was aired only online) and despite many differences there's something that makes me think about the "compatibility edit". There was a guy Tim (a musician in his 30s, divorced from his HS sweetheart) and his F3 women: 1 beauty - the youngest, fresh out of college, from the city (same as his), who he had an incredible chemistry with, 1 goofy - who was near his age, heart on a sleeve kinda person, an artist too (a painter), who made him laugh with her self-deprecating ways (she was my fave) and 1 cutey, near his age, who had a sad story of losing her late husband, but was ready for a new life to give herself to a new man, a musician too, she found him a perfect match and he loved so many great qualities about her  ...
the critique (from the commentators not the lead) for the first girl was that her approach was too superficial, that they didn't talk enough to establish a deeper bond and that it was all based on physical attraction, that there was no mental/emotional connection and that they were at 2 different stages in life ... while the third woman was praised for her beautiful soul, kind spirit, same stage in life as the lead and being a wife material.
You can guess the order of the finalist: F1 the beauty, F2 the cutey F3 the goofy ... Well, today they are married (1st ann.) and after the finale they said that their connection was instant, that they didn't question it and that they talked just as much as in any other relationship he had with the women on the show, but it was never shown.
That's why I'm wary to believe all the praises that the lead gives to any woman ... because it almost feels like ... there's a "but" coming after. - All JMO.

Plus I don´t think that they are showing us the real connection Richie and Olena have. They are hiding it for the arc story of the mysterious and gorgeous Olena who can`t open up.

natik wrote:Guys just a reminder it was stated that Richie had an emotional rose ceremony before going to Bali, who the hell could that be?! We know it's not Olena, we know it's not Alex (the boat girl IMO is Alex), he wouldn't be that emotional if it was Rachael. Soooo.....

They gave us in the preview the F3 girls (like they did it with Sam W. season) It´s Rachael, Alex and Olena. You tend to forget that in doubt the preview screencaps tell the story. It`s like the last season all over again. Heather was running out of Screencaps but only a few wanted to listen. IMO

I agree, in my opinion, Nikki is F4. I see no deep connection between Nikki and Richie. I see kindness, tenderness, relaxation, the beginning of a friendship; but I do not see romance, fire, passion, profound love, and adventure. I don't really think we know Nikki well either. IMO she is very different from Richie.

I think F1 will be either Olena or Alex; but most likely Olena, I want her to win; but I would not be surprised if Alex won. Richie is taking Alex to the HTD, that certainly means something. If he didn't feel very attracted to her, he would eliminate her before the HTDs, this is JMO

romance realist wrote:

LeapofFaith wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

IA that's what I see as well.

It's interesting seeing everyone's POV....I watched it again as well and I found really heartwarming when Nikki said she doesn't want to live life with regrets and is just so open with him... That takes some guts, but then I found interesting how Richie responded, he said something about a life and all "he sees is a future with nothing but roses" And some other stuff after but that wording was either IMO a hint for her that he is falling for her too or something to just keep her hopes up...I don't know ... but then she said thank you (so that made me think well she def believes what he said was he is falling) ....though I still believe Olena is f1 jmo

I too have watched Richie and Nikki's 2nd date again, as well as his time with Olena under the gazebo.
With Nikki he is a really soft and goofy and I can definitely see them together at the end.
He is also really nice with Olena but his goofy side doesn't come out and (as someone posted earlier) he asserts his masculinity more.
I may be just stating the obvious here but while he is unsure of Olena's feelings, he too holds back from totally relaxing with her. With Nikki he doesn't have to hold back because he can be confident of her feelings and immerse himself in being with her romantically. I see the statement he makes to Nikki, 'What we have is real' alluding to this.

I'm inclined to think that at this point in the show, he may not have given his heart to one over the other.
At this point what he has with Nikki is more developed because it is more known.
He and Olena are still an unknown.
IMO
Can't wait to see how it all pans out

i maybe in the minority thinking Richie is best being himself, the sweet-fun-adorkable guy (the dance! ) when he is with Nikki-thats why he seems so relax with the grin from ear to ear on the whole date with her- as compared to when he is being the BACHIE with other girls, with some 'roles' he has to play. IMO Richie and Olena storyline 'demanded' him to be the guy who could knock her walls down and make her to 'believe in love'. (but not with him...with the potential 20-ish guys in near future, if thats make sense ) . Lucky for me..eventhough im firm in Nikki the F1 train, i really enjoy ROLENA story too..so its win-win for me . No matter if you believe Nikki F1 or Olena F1, i think TPTB AU did a pretty good job keeping us entertained and guessing.

natik wrote:Guys just a reminder it was stated that Richie had an emotional rose ceremony before going to Bali, who the hell could that be?! We know it's not Olena, we know it's not Alex (the boat girl IMO is Alex), he wouldn't be that emotional if it was Rachael. Soooo.....

They gave us in the preview the F3 girls (like they did it with Sam W. season) It´s Rachael, Alex and Olena. You tend to forget that in doubt the preview screencaps tell the story. It`s like the last season all over again. Heather was running out of Screencaps but only a few wanted to listen. IMO

this could be true...OR..as in US franchise, there were many times when the F1 was not seen at all in the preview- only the voice overs.(from the top off my head i can remember Ashley season). Keeping in mind, as someone else pointed out..(CMIIW) in Richie season the production company was the same company as the US.

I agree [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], if it's down to Nikki and Olena, then it really is a win-win situation.

BedHead wrote:

natik wrote:Guys just a reminder it was stated that Richie had an emotional rose ceremony before going to Bali, who the hell could that be?! We know it's not Olena, we know it's not Alex (the boat girl IMO is Alex), he wouldn't be that emotional if it was Rachael. Soooo.....

They gave us in the preview the F3 girls (like they did it with Sam W. season) It´s Rachael, Alex and Olena. You tend to forget that in doubt the preview screencaps tell the story. It`s like the last season all over again. Heather was running out of Screencaps but only a few wanted to listen. IMO

I agree, in my opinion, Nikki is F4. I see no deep connection between Nikki and Richie. I see kindness, tenderness, relaxation, the beginning of a friendship; but I do not see romance, fire, passion, profound love, and adventure. I don't really think we know Nikki well either. IMO she is very different from Richie.

I think F1 will be either Olena or Alex; but most likely Olena, I want her to win; but I would not be surprised if Alex won. Richie is taking Alex to the HTD, that certainly means something. If he didn't feel very attracted to her, he would eliminate her before the HTDs, this is JMO

At this point though, I really struggle to see Nikki going out at F4. The Bachelor is not Survivor. There are no blindsides. From all of the series I've watched, I really can't think of a rose ceremony where I was shocked by the outcome. IMO, if Nikki was out at F4, we would already be seeing some red flags. The audience doesn't really like surprises, so unless things start to go wrong for her on the camping trip, and then go horribly south on her hometown visit, it won't be believable for her to go out at F4.

Of course this is all just IMO, and I've certainly been wrong before