Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Richie Strahan - F1-F6 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Idlemess wrote:

mercieme wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]....I think all the girls appear ok now. I posted Keira's interview with Elle AU on the SM thread & she said all the girls chat on a FB page & discuss the episode together. It will be very raw for each of the girls again once the episode airs of when Richie lets them go though but eventually time is a great healer & they will move on.

I still don't see Alex, Olena or Nikki in the F2 spot.....still voting Rachel into that slot for now until screen caps convince me otherwise. Also Meghan in her interview with Elle AU mentioned that Rachel was a dark horse & that solidifies it more for me that Rachel is going to go really far on the show.....all jmo.

I was going to ask if anyone thought Rachael had a real chance based on what is shown so far. Looks like she's been shown every episode in itm from the get go, so to me she is being prep for a role and I'm hoping at least F2. I've gotten a willing player role out of her so far. She'd been willing to say not so nice things and to be critical of others so far. 

Guess we will have to see which woman is a challenge for Richie...

I think people will be stunned she is still around by the end of it TBH but seriously hoping she is F2 with the throw away line to Olena she made. IMO Rachel seems like a real piece of work.

I just rewatched the last Ep to compare the kissing scenes between Olena/Richie and Nikki/Richie. Gotta say Olena and Richies kiss seemed alot more natural and mutually intentional, than the one he shared with Nikki which felt producer driven and forced, maybe it was the situation they were put in by production... but it seemed designed purely to elicit jealousy from Alex. Nikki is pursuing Richie... but Richie is pursuing Olena. The date with Olena was quite cliche in pure Bachie style, but Richie certainly behaved in a very different manner with her than he has with the other girls. I think he was far less awkward even though he was nervous, he seemed more into her. It will be interesting to see the arc of their romantic story. I think she'll start to let down her guard.

H.E.A.T.H.E.R wrote:I just rewatched the last Ep to compare the kissing scenes between Olena/Richie and Nikki/Richie. Gotta say Olena and Richies kiss seemed alot more natural and mutually intentional, than the one he shared with Nikki which felt producer driven and forced, maybe it was the situation they were put in by production... but it seemed designed purely to elicit jealousy from Alex. Nikki is pursuing Richie... but Richie is pursuing Olena. The date with Olena was quite cliche in pure Bachie style, but Richie certainly behaved in a very different manner with her than he has with the other girls. I think he was far less awkward even though he was nervous, he seemed more into her. It will be interesting to see the arc of their romantic story. I think she'll start to let down her guard.

I whole heartedly agree with you. It did seem very natural but also for me it was the first time I had seen Richie some what more than a cardboard cut out and not scripted. He was animated and excited and slightly more articulated. If you have a minute take a look at Insider Guide vid they have a bit of a joke together which they cut out its quite cute. I think her feelings for him have now surfaced so it will be interesting to see the progression.

thanks fifty, I just watched, so good to see some behind the scene, even just a teeny peak! Does she say 'no sh!t' when he pulls out the rose???? too funny

Quane wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:I didn't see Richie do the hand kiss with anyone else either, but may have missed it (or it not been shown).

I think F1 is between Nikki and Olena and if I had to guess based on everything sleuthed/speculated thus far:
F1 - Nikki
F2 - Olena
F3 - Alex
F4 - Rachael

If Nikki is not in F3 then I can see Olena as F1 and Rachael as F2.
If the s/caps for Olena are not from F3/Bali, then I can see Olena as F4 or less.

@AAL, I think Rachael is the only girl that we can safely say was in Bali. The SC of her in white walking with Richie seems to be in Bali as Richie has  shorter hair cut. I think somewhere in the thread there is a photo of Richie at the airport enroute to Bali with a very short hair. I think if that was the case, all the SCs of Richie with shorter side burnt will be in Bali. I think the one he was
kissing Rachael (not screen yet) showed he has shorter hair.

Just a thought. I might be wrong though.

Isn't Alex in Bali...her jumping off the boat sleuthed to be Bali?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] So far the only one sleuthed to potentially be in Bali is the girl jumping off the ship and speculated to be Alex. None of the other s/caps have been sleuthed to be in Bali except for that one (although some have been speculated they may be, no match to locations, etc, yet)

Aunties_Love wrote:

Quane wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:I didn't see Richie do the hand kiss with anyone else either, but may have missed it (or it not been shown).

I think F1 is between Nikki and Olena and if I had to guess based on everything sleuthed/speculated thus far:
F1 - Nikki
F2 - Olena
F3 - Alex
F4 - Rachael

If Nikki is not in F3 then I can see Olena as F1 and Rachael as F2.
If the s/caps for Olena are not from F3/Bali, then I can see Olena as F4 or less.

@AAL, I think Rachael is the only girl that we can safely say was in Bali. The SC of her in white walking with Richie seems to be in Bali as Richie has  shorter hair cut. I think somewhere in the thread there is a photo of Richie at the airport enroute to Bali with a very short hair. I think if that was the case, all the SCs of Richie with shorter side burnt will be in Bali. I think the one he was
kissing Rachael (not screen yet) showed he has shorter hair.

Just a thought. I might be wrong though.

Isn't Alex in Bali...her jumping off the boat sleuthed to be Bali?

Hi Auntie, I do think it's Alex jumping off the boat in Bali due to the slender body build but some folks think it might be Nikki.....guess we will wait for more screen caps to confirm.

Fifty wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:snipped

Nikki as F1
- I also see Nikki's edit similar to Matilda's and agree that they have that IT connection and like the girls said in the last episode "there is Richie with Nikki and then there is Richie with the other girls" so Nikki is different from them all.
- What was telling to me as well was that, even after his date with Olena, Richie made sure to speak to Nikki at the CP and away from the girls and they had their kiss and took that time to spend with her even thought there was no rose ceremony showed me that Richie put Nikki first before all the other girls (which aligns with what the girls said).
- Nikki's sister's SM activity since filming ended reminds me most of Snez's sister and Matilda's friends/family as well since her sister started following Richie and liking pics of Nikki and Richie soon after filming wrapped. I don't think she would do so if Nikki had her heartbroken?

You may be correct but he actually took Olena away as well as seen in the BTS photos to talk to her after just having a date with her so they may have edited that out to hide her and to create the drama as I have stated in another thread as Nikki was sitting next to Alex and Rachel when he called her.  It was very much staged by producers seeing that that particular room hasn't been used before.  I also found Nikki initiated that kiss, not Richie.  

The only thing is there doesn't seem to be a hurdle with Nikki, she has similar family values, lives in the same state, checks all the boxes.  

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Richie likely spoke to most of the girls at the cocktail party but the fact that it wasn't shown tells me it is not part of the story. Sleuthing past seasons have always shown me that if it is left on the editing floor it is because it doesn't fit the story.

As for a hurdle/obstacle, many F1s don't have any big obstacle other than being "too good to be true" (such as Lauren B). I see the same thing with Nikki if she ends up being F1 that everything is so perfect that maybe it is too good to be true.

The producers also have a way of making an obstacle where there is none just to give the F1 that "overcoming doubts" arc that usually happens around HTD/FD time. 

I suspect that if Nikki is F1 then some sort of doubt will be introduced by HTD/FD time and it will have to be resolved by the lead AND the F1. 

There's always doubt for the F2 as well but that doubt is never resolved by the lead and they can never overcome it (thus she is F2).

For me I can not get my head around why the producers have hidden Olena until now?? They must have know she would be popular with the audience. Even the media coverage was slow to start for Olena and spoilers were of nikkis 2 dates and has producers directing in them in them and alex And Richie spoiler had them eating minties. Olena sd2 was spoils but from a distance from behind her and photo shopped? I agree that Richie is animated and excited during date with Olena. I think she must open up as screen clip with scooter they look extremely happy and comfortable. Imo It has been a frustrating session so far as feel manipulated. Want to see the love story and so far only see natural progression with Olena and Richie (genuine feelings developing over time)

Olena's edit reminds me of JoJo's from Ben's season who was also hidden from the beginning and not shown as much (but shown a lot towards the end) and was very popular with audience from the beginning.

That being said, I am not sure what position Olena will end up at, she could be F1 (but I doubt it based on her SM activity which I followed before the season aired) as well as her edit, but I understand how it can feel confusing when one sees a love story.

Last season I saw a love story with Heather and Sam W (which ended in heartbreak) and never saw a lovestory with Snez but I knew Heather wasn't going to be F1 and Snez was likely to be F1 once s/caps were sleuthed that Heather wouldn't go further than F4.

Because I don't always see a lovestory with the lead and F1, I usually sleuth for F1 and watch for lovestory separately. Sometimes I get lucky and I get to sleuth the F1 and see a lovestory with the F1 too but it is rare for that to happen for me (and why so often my favorite contestants are not F1).

With Olena it is possible she is F1 and not ruling her out of it at all, especially since she may be in F3, but even if she is not F1 that doesn't mean there was no lovestory so see. Everyone sees things differently and I like that so many viewers see different things as it makes it more interesting

AAL, different from you last season, I actually saw a love story between Sam and Snez, but was blinded by my love for Heather. I saw a love story between Nikki and Richie, but I worry that I'm once again blinded by my personal preference towards the girls, so I don't know how this time I really saw it, or not.

Completely agree with you [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] regarding the love story between Sam and Heather. I never really saw the Snez and Sam love story. That said, it's worked and in the light of day I believe he made the right decision for him and his lifestyle. The Bachie bubble clearly clouds your view sometimes. I too now sleuth to find the F1 and bachette in the edit. It's hard to deny the edit and as they say 'screencaps don't lie'. At this point there is too much pointing towards Nikki. I think we will see the emergence of the two most likely tonight , Nikki and Rachael and the others will play a part in this narrative but we will start to be exposed to their insecurities. Happy to be proven wrong but this is my honest opinion