Re: Ashley and J.P - General Media Discussion - Thread #2

[Archer23]

I'm pretty sure Ashley told JP ILY in Taipei. He was having a tough time seeing her with other men after their "turning point" date in Hong Kong, and she said in one of her interviews (paraphrasing) that she told him ILY because she could see him was struggling and wanted to reassure him. I think the remaining episodes bear this out, because he was so confident during his HTD that Ashley did not have the same feelings for the other guys that she had for him. And although he was still being cautious and bracing himself for the possibility he wasn't the F1, he wasn't concerning himself with the other guys on his FD or LCD. He even told her on the FD that he didn't want to bother talking or worrying about the other guys because it wasn't going to change anything between them.

As for why JP was so confident he was F2, I don't think he needed producers to tell him that. There's so much of his and Ashley's relationship that we didn't get to see, but even from what we did see, the two of them were always talking about the end of the process and what was going to happen. In one of the TV Guide interviews, the interviewer asks Ashley if she ever really thought JP wouldn't propose, and although Ashley initially hems and says there was a chance he wouldn't, JP says "Come on, you knew," and she admits that the two of them "were on the same page" about that. So over the course of the season, I think they discussed their relationship in ways that made it clear he was going to be there in end. We just didn't get to see it. 'Cause who would ever want to see that, right, MF? :Frown:

As for when JP said ILY, I can't imagine he didn't tell her during the FD, but he seemed completely honest and sincere in the deleted scene when he told Mike he hadn't told her he was in love with her. But maybe similar to the distinction he made after the LCD, he told her he loved her during the FD, but didn't say "I'm in love with you" until the LCD.

ETA:

Throughout the entire season and beginning with the very first RC when JP got his rose, something struck me about all of the interactions between Ashley and JP: they were all genuine but seemed almost rehearsed rather than spontaneous. In other words I kept having this nagging impression that everything they said to each other "on camera" had actually already been said before "off camera". I think they spent a lot more time together that we didn't see, and that probably explains how their relationship grew as quickly as it seemed to. I think by Hong Kong it was pretty much a done deal and most (but not all) of the guys on the show knew this.

I totally agree with this. I always felt the same way too, like we were joining all of their interactions "in progress" and had missed the first half of whatever they were talking about. I always believed they had had a bunch of deep conversations we were never privy to.

[atem]

All I know is that JP was confident and then the 'meet the family' happened and that probably made him uncertain enough to say some things in 'what-if' questions that came off as not wanting to propose. The show did that with Roberto last season.

[anders]

One thing I noticed that was in a preview that we didn’t see during the show was during their FD, the scene on the beach where Ash asked him if he’d be “ready to propose at the end of this” and he was ambivalent about it (can’t remember his exact words). But I’ve wondered if he knew he loved her, but wasn’t really ready to propose and may have been coaxed into doing so. I don’t’ mean to imply that he wouldn’t have eventually, but that MF wanted that proposal on that day.

[Archer23]

One thing I noticed that was in a preview that we didn’t see during the show was during their FD, the scene on the beach where Ash asked him if he’d be “ready to propose at the end of this” and he was ambivalent about it (can’t remember his exact words). But I’ve wondered if he knew he loved her, but wasn’t really ready to propose and may have been coaxed into doing so. I don’t’ mean to imply that he wouldn’t have eventually, but that MF wanted that proposal on that day.

I don't put a lot of stock in that one clip from the previews, since the previews are always misleading (remember the one that tried to make us think Ashley and JP's FD ended with the two of them parting ways?) Even taking the clip at face value, Ashely asks JP if he could see himself proposing and he essentially says "Not right this minute." I think that goes with the narrative of that episode (and the end of their HTD) that he was hesitant about going all in and telling her he was in love with her until he knew he was final two. And at that point in the date, she hadn't yet told him about Constantine and Ryan, so he didn't know he was final two.

In any event, considering his comment to Ashley in Hong Kong that in a month, he expected them to be doing something having to do with getting on a knee, and his comment on the FD that he was "ready for the end," I don't think he had to be coaxed to propose to her. I think it was always his plan, no producer interference needed.

[ScrappyRN]

One thing I noticed that was in a preview that we didn’t see during the show was during their FD, the scene on the beach where Ash asked him if he’d be “ready to propose at the end of this” and he was ambivalent about it (can’t remember his exact words). But I’ve wondered if he knew he loved her, but wasn’t really ready to propose and may have been coaxed into doing so. I don’t’ mean to imply that he wouldn’t have eventually, but that MF wanted that proposal on that day.

I don't put a lot of stock in that one clip from the previews, since the previews are always misleading (remember the one that tried to make us think Ashley and JP's FD ended with the two of them parting ways?) Even taking the clip at face value, Ashely asks JP if he could see himself proposing and he essentially says "Not right this minute." I think that goes with the narrative of that episode (and the end of their HTD) that he was hesitant about going all in and telling her he was in love with her until he knew he was final two. And at that point in the date, she hadn't yet told him about Constantine and Ryan, so he didn't know he was final two.

In any event, considering his comment to Ashley in Hong Kong that in a month, he expected them to be doing something having to do with getting on a knee, and his comment on the FD that he was "ready for the end," I don't think he had to be coaxed to propose to her. I think it was always his plan, no producer interference needed.

I always thought the "not this minute" was a splice, and maybe he was talking about children and they made it seem he was talking about proposal. Both Ashley and JP talked about the other beieng good parents in the future.

[clueless]

JP sure didn't/doesn't appear to be the guy that was "talked" into anything. Wasn't it their MTP date when Ashley said she would figure it out and he said I thought you already had? He just doesn't seem to be the indecisive guy about something he wants nor does he appear to be the guy to be talked into anything. Just my humble opinion of course.

[atem]

One thing I noticed that was in a preview that we didn’t see during the show was during their FD, the scene on the beach where Ash asked him if he’d be “ready to propose at the end of this” and he was ambivalent about it (can’t remember his exact words). But I’ve wondered if he knew he loved her, but wasn’t really ready to propose and may have been coaxed into doing so. I don’t’ mean to imply that he wouldn’t have eventually, but that MF wanted that proposal on that day.

That was shown to show doubt. Who knows the full context of that statement.

This show loves to splice and dice statements. We'll never know.

[instinct]

One thing I noticed that was in a preview that we didn’t see during the show was during their FD, the scene on the beach where Ash asked him if he’d be “ready to propose at the end of this” and he was ambivalent about it (can’t remember his exact words). But I’ve wondered if he knew he loved her, but wasn’t really ready to propose and may have been coaxed into doing so. I don’t’ mean to imply that he wouldn’t have eventually, but that MF wanted that proposal on that day.

That was shown to show doubt. Who knows the full context of that statement.

This show loves to splice and dice statements. We'll never know.

However, I think JP's statement on the beach led Ashley to ask that night "what else has to happen", or something like that, and JP said that everything had to be "right", and she agreed. I also wondered why they left the beach scene out of the show, and at the same time this convo at dinner seemed to have come out of nowhere, unless it was a continuation of the beach convo. Make sense?

[atem]

When JP is talking about Hong Kong, I think it's basically in hindsight. He said in his PIs that he was sort of in denial about being in love with Ashley & that's why he didn't say anything. Good thing her step-dad gave him to advice & did it compared to that of Jillian gave to Reid and he didn't take.

[sjcaligurl]

Considering how much in love they were, I imagine once they were alone and in bed in the FS, things got hot and heavy and she probably let it slip. What is she supposed to do? Think about the producers (no ILY allowed) or "doin' a whata comes natchurly" (to quote Annie Get Your Gun) Of course they had a lot to tell each other. That is what the FS is for.

And he was still scared to tell her how he felt? What a wuss! LOL! She said she couldn't hold things in. I don't doubt that she told him.

I doubt he was really scared to tell her. The producers probably had a lot to do with him not telling her until the LCD. Same with Ben. I found it odd they both waited to tell her until the LCD's.

I did too. It's usually said on the FD. It's like they were both hanging it over her head. At the same time, I just cannot believe JP waited so long and was so scared to tell her. He'd told her everything else. Just didn't make sense to me.

I also don't get how both guys were so sure about some things. Ben was sure he was getting an HTD. JP was sure he was going to be in the final two. Who was telling them what and when?

I'm curious about what they were told and when as well.

One thing I found odd about both Ben and JP is that neither of them thought Lucas would be eliminated before the hometown dates. Ben thought Lucas was getting the group date rose and after Lucas was eliminated, JP told Ames he wasn't expecting that. Why did they both think Lucas would stay?

Lucas had an Alpha male presence. I never saw much potential with him and Ashley outside of her feeling he was a manly man but guys don't think the same way. Plus, Lucas felt he made real inroads in Hong Kong and probably said so to the guys. Also, I don't think the guys gave Ames much credit either because he didn't have that testosterone laden competitive edge to him. I think people would be surprised which guys IRL other guys perceive as threats.

The guys had probably already hashed it out amongst themselves as far as who they thought was where. We probably don't even want to know what they talked about amongst themselves. Her getting rid of Ryan the way she did shocked/scared them all. BUT, we've already discussed that after JP expressed how torturous his week was in Taiwan, that Ashley got rid of the guys he was 'worried' about.

[chaslom4]

http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/the-bachelorette-winner-jp-rosenbaum-may-oversee-construction-at-ues-elie-hirschfeld-condo-at-218-east-79th-street

Real estate mogul Elie Hirschfeld, president of Hirschfeld Properties, was shocked yesterday afternoon to run into Season 7 winner of "The Bachelorette," J.P. Rosenbaum at a new Upper East Side Hirschfeld condominium.

Rosenbaum, who featured as the honest, passionate workman who stole bachelorette Ashley Hebert's heart in the ABC show, is a project manager at the Madison Avenue-based J Companies and is in the running to manage construction at the site.

Hirschfeld, who has recently seen Rosenbaum on the cover of People magazine, was very impressed with Rosenbaum's knowledge of New York real estate.

"I haven't watched the show," he said, "but I was pleasantly surprised to meet him and to learn about his involvement with the show. The J Companies do a lot of fine work."

The development Rosenbaum may oversee is a 14-story condo building at 218 East 79th Street, Hirschfeld said. Demolition has begun at the site, which is currently home to a private townhouse. Hirschfeld and Maxine Dovere, his private partner on the project, have owned the site since 2002 but opted to delay development in light of the financial crisis.

The 2,000-square-foot site will be converted into full-floor luxury units of around 1,400 square feet each. Hirschfeld declined to comment on the timeframe for construction, which he says is still in the early stages.

The J Companies is a construction and development firm. Projects listed on its website include work at 40 Gansevoort Street and 141 Fifth Avenue.

A Long Island native, Rosenbaum, who ended his television stint by proposing to Hebert, was not immediately available for comment.

[atem]

I don't know how to post it so the whole article shows and I hope that the article doesn't jinx JP from getting the company he works for the job! Ha!

Oops, I see that someone beat me! I love the pic of JP. So cute!

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