The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #3

Jordan is getting such a weird edit this season that I don't know what to think anymore. This line from Derek regarding Jordan is interesting: "Maybe this is just me being neurotic, but I don't trust the guy because trust is built. It is not just given."

I look at the others and their edits are more straight forward.

Chase = Zak W. He seems pretty genuine, but she is just not as "into" him as the others.

Robby is the competitive one convinced he is THE frontrunner with no knowledge of what is happening between her and Jordan/Luke. In other words, the handlers are brain@*#%ing him all the way to his elimination. Derek's previous confidence was a foreshadowing of Robby's doom. Also he has yet to be questioned about any girlfriends. Jordan already passed that test... we think.

Luke is The Older Guy (if only 3-4 years older than Jordan) who has seen enough in life and is ready to settle down. Ideally he is the one she SHOULD choose. Or he could be the one Fleiss is confident will give them a Sean season after Jo-Jo's pans out like Emily's season.

ForeverLove wrote:

MiniDiva wrote:What if Jordon get's to the FRC platform and has second thoughts, doesn't follow through with the proposal and leaves the FRC set.  Hence, we see the previews of JoJo crying about saying goodbye to the man she loves, walking alone on the beach etc.  Then Jordon does comeback and talks to her, finally proposes and he ends up her F1.  Not sure that explains her statement to the guy "what you did to me" because to me that is still early in the day (sun angle)  But perhaps she is talking to Jordon and that is when he leaves just to come back later.
Jordon could be boomerang boy.    Just speculation not sure if this has been raised before.

I think the boomerang will be Neil Lane's ringadingy. This one's coming back to him. Thinking about @Kasha's statement above of how TPTB want to strip you of confidence , I wouldn't be surprised if they flew Mr. Rookstool out to the FRC with a letter in tow to harass Jojo's psyche. That would bring on her tears and statement, "after what you've done to me ". After they show that confrontation , the rest will be a normal F2. One gets rejected and the other stays. Imo, they've used ChadR way to much to induce drama. Why not one for the Finale?   Besides, he's the only one that has produced the most emotion out of Jojo  

I presented this exact scenario a couple times.  :Nod:  It ties up any loose ends with Chad R through the two seasons.  Then wouldn't it be rich if somewhere in the future these two(JoJo and Chad R) get back together yet again.

How could this not be spoiled yet though? Chad is such a fameho, I feel like he'd tell someone who would run to Steve ASAP.

I think a lot of the Chad stuff spoiled was instigated by TPTB. JMO.

Kashathediva wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:

MiniDiva wrote:What if Jordon get's to the FRC platform and has second thoughts, doesn't follow through with the proposal and leaves the FRC set.  Hence, we see the previews of JoJo crying about saying goodbye to the man she loves, walking alone on the beach etc.  Then Jordon does comeback and talks to her, finally proposes and he ends up her F1.  Not sure that explains her statement to the guy "what you did to me" because to me that is still early in the day (sun angle)  But perhaps she is talking to Jordon and that is when he leaves just to come back later.
Jordon could be boomerang boy.    Just speculation not sure if this has been raised before.

I think the boomerang will be Neil Lane's ringadingy. This one's coming back to him. Thinking about @Kasha's statement above of how TPTB want to strip you of confidence , I wouldn't be surprised if they flew Mr. Rookstool out to the FRC with a letter in tow to harass Jojo's psyche. That would bring on her tears and statement, "after what you've done to me ". After they show that confrontation , the rest will be a normal F2. One gets rejected and the other stays. Imo, they've used ChadR way to much to induce drama. Why not one for the Finale?   Besides, he's the only one that has produced the most emotion out of Jojo  

I presented this exact scenario a couple times.  :Nod:  It ties up any loose ends with Chad R through the two seasons.  Then wouldn't it be rich if somewhere in the future these two(JoJo and Chad R) get back together yet again.

Yes, that would be awesome, and to me, not that far fetched . They share a beloved K9 between them after all. She'll probably pick the guy most like CharR because subliminally , that's who she really wants, Chadwick.

Even if the Chad stuff was instigated by TPTB, he still chose to play along. Right after that In Touch interview came out, he posted a pic of his salon on IG and captioned it "marketing 101", then people started commenting how he was an azz for doing that to JoJo and he blocked them

I don't believe JoJo still wants Chad. He does sound like an azz. JoJo wants her some Jordan.

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:Even if the Chad stuff was instigated by TPTB, he still chose to play along. Right after that In Touch interview came out, he posted a pic of his salon on IG and captioned it "marketing 101", then people started commenting how he was an azz for doing that to JoJo and he blocked them

I think he absolutely played along with TPTB from last season, the intermission and this season.

LoveDovez wrote:
We need to remember what Jo said to Jordon this week because he will use the same words on her next week... He just uses whatever she says and turns it around to make her think he really wants/loves her.. It's sad when you think about it.

I know people thought at first she was gonna be the best Ette ever, but  I can imagine they are now seeing she sure isn't. Probably wouldn't be in my top 5. ; (

ForeverLove wrote:I was thinking that today @LoveDovez. He does mimic her or regurgitates what she says. Some swoon but to me, it says a lot about her in a bad way. One thing they have in common is they both seem desperate . Mimicking again?

LoveDovez wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:I was thinking that today @LoveDovez. He does mimic her or regurgitates what she says. Some swoon but to me, it says a lot about her in a bad way. One thing they have in common is they both seem desperate . Mimicking again?

I noticed it on the second episode and kinda shrugged it off as it being early in the season, but it seems like he does it every show now and I don't see how she could keep from realizing it. I think Jordon is going to be the reason for Jo losing a lot of fans.

Years ago 25 would have been "young" but in these days it's not really considered young. She can't use that as an excuse for her reasoning behind picking Jordon. If she had come right out and said she had slim pickings  ( which I think she did ) was the reason I could have gotten behind her and at least respected her. KWIM?

I think Jordan was in a panic mindset. He was not confident. He knows full well because jojo told him many times now and what 1 day or 2 days ago during his 'once again' when she said: I want to be engaged and I want it to work. The message was clear. He also said that if he does not open up aka saying the words she wants to hear, he is out as probably another guy will give her the words she wants to hear. IMO he did not feel as special during the RC and went directly to the attack mode and repeated the SAME words she so desperately wants to hear... the words he could not say 1 or 2 days ago... because we all know that this period of time was crucial for him..... not.

He is a womanizer. plain and simple. He knows what the girls/women want: romance and big words. Jojo was not even shy to tell him. So he gave her what she wants to assure himself a rose at this RC.

Going at top 8 was a sure thing not getting the next bach gig..

Anyone heard this: who is this guy? what have you done with him?

and if she was shocked then that means that he does not give her what she wants so badly from him. Jordan is right... it IS pathetic.

JBF wrote:Jordan is an OK guy. Arrogant and into himself, but subject to change for the better.

No... I don't think he and Jo-Jo will last if they are together at the end.

Y'know though... I still have that funny "feeling" that she doesn't choose him in the end. I think he is... around... late in the show as either the F2 dumpee or a F4/F3 who boomerangs back like Jeremy/Reid/Ryan Park for another attempt. In fact, the latter scenario may not be just a wild fantasy since there are some curious signs in the editing suggesting he must PROVE himself in some way to her. Sort of like Jillian doubting that Reid was willing to go through with a commitment and he crashing the FRC site in Hawaii.

I believe the ONLY reason she dumps Luke is because something goes wrong on the hometown date. That is it. I will wait to see what happens in the episode after next before I can be 100% certain he has NO chance to be F1. Yes, I know there isn't enough spoiler "evidence" supporting him, but I have never had any trust in spoiler "evidence". How long did the majority of this forum stay convinced Desiree would choose Brooks?

I have this vibe but only because the edits for him are so bad episode after episode: fame/fortune (repeated numerous time by different guys), cheater (special scene with jojo), snob and entitled (special scene with jojo/james), in a middle of drama (chad/evan).

I mean so so many red flags.

I do see the des similarities. I will always be convinced that Brooks was her #1 and Chris was a rebound and not her #1. The same way deanna with graham, except she did not care who to pick and she picked the one without kid. Both brooks and graham did not care for the girl and waited top 4 to leave to get a chance at next bach gig. They knew they had it in the bag, I mean both girls were just puppet all over them, but both decided to leave.

JBF, do you remember if brooks and graham used the words such: I see myself falling in love, I am falling in love and such? it may mean nothing and just another way to play the game to 'win' the F1 position... or who knows jordan could be genuine after all.

next week episode (in the teaser), I saw the same unhappy jordan expression and i think it was genuine. Next week, we know (IMO) that it is all about robby's drama. Alex will spill the beans at his 1:1 because when she rejected him, he just could not stop himself to tattle. so I am positive that he will tell her the ex-GF about robby and maybe another fame red flag about jordan. alex was roomie with chase. robby was roomie with jordan.

So what is this garden they are keeping referring to... I keep thinking that garden = harem and jojo was like a bee (the hummingbird I scap right after a segment with jordan - the same way he had a duck quaking in the middle of his intro), not serious, going and saying and kissing all of them the same way... I read a tweet from one of the 4: Garden, I have your back (something like that)... so what is this? If we see them rating on TV but best buddies after? I mean nobody forced them to say the words they did. And the garden is: alex, jordan, robby and chase.

So I am thinking. Alex was definitely edited as the tattle annoying drama king, pushing Chad and pushing Derek. After chad, everyone IMO think that Alex is the Chad #2. ... But we did not see much of the relationship jojo had with Alex. I saw alex always rushing to jojo in group dates (like luke always next to her). I think jojo WAS interested in Alex. Everyone think that because of his size and his nasty attitude he was not an option but in reality, maybe, jojo did not see him the same way the prods EDITED alex. My point is that he could very be part of the garden, the same way jordan, robby and chase were, meaning that jojo gave the same amount of interest to them... but none of them were selected. OR.... the garden aka I have your back could be a reaction toward the producers. But we heard only on twitter about this garden very early on this season and before the edits of jordan or robby or chase. Chase as far as I know do not have a bad edit at all and robby it is only next week.

so my conclusion is that garden is about jojo. they are the flowers. she is the bird or the bee, whatever. but the analogy is that she picks none of them, all of them being beautiful flowers

and then we end with Luke.

Luke who is never mentioned. Luke who is somehow very quiet and doing his business. He is having buddies reunion with James, Wells and early on Evan and I think James T (boxing)...

so here are the questions I am puzzled about in the jordan F1 sheme ending...

* Luke who posted: some memories are forever on IG (concert)
* Jojo who posted yesterday a picture of a UNICORN and DIAMOND SHAPE with a saying SHINE ON, MY LOVE
then again she responded this to becca tweet: I love you for that (becca: I took a risk and i lost. But life is about risks and watching your bff tango and do weird water tricks and stuff.)
* When she went to the LA Dodgers event, she wore this blue Dodgers baseball cap.... and miles away from LA, lets say in nashville, 4 days later guess who is wearing the SAME baseball cap? Luke (he wore it 2 times and then is back to random black cap)
* In one twitter she says she won't be able to assist Shay concert in Dallas and on another tweet luke says that he won't be able to attend a radio pod. (I felt as if they made sure that public knew that their path would not be in the same state, it felt a bit too obvious)
* Luke makes sure to keep a not over the top profile. 1 tweet, 1 IG every other day, likes 3-4 tweets, answer 1. Never promote his own concert unless liking fans who spot him. He is not ADAMANT to expose his singing gig at all.
* why abc asked him (and not other contestant living in Nashville to join him: jordan, wells, evan, james, james T) to represent them at the country festival and lets say not james who is clearly labelled on the show as country singer I think and seen several time with his guitar (limo/entrance, pool party)? This is IMO the typical next gig exposure but who knows
* said by james a front-runner in last episode out of 8 guys
* if I did not know better I would SEE the love romance between jojo and luke from the start
* generally leads let it leak after show who is the F1: she talked about Luke and Robby at GMA. no mention of jordan.

I mean I have more WTH and the biggest one is WHY the only 2 guys who are not seen in Thailand are jordan and luke? Unless those 2 guys play a huge part in this season. Because from my perspective I see big romance with luke and bad boy edits with jordan. I see emotional jojo with both, playing little girly voice with both.

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about the 'what you've done to me'

theory: is it possible that the 'I think I should leave' could be at hometown... Jordan got what he wanted. he achieved the top 4 position in order for him to have enough fans to support him for the next gig.... jojo IS devastated.... we have our BROOKS and BENTLEY and FRANK and all the others who were in the same shoes....

so we have a return jordan because our jojo is soooooooooooooooooooo upset and it makes soooooooooooooooooooo good drama, and then he shows up at top 3, chase is eliminated or luke which were both chosen at hometown and BAM, at the end jordan propose but SHE REFUSES because she cannot trust him... and select LUKE or why not ROBBY or CHASE???

I could see this ending, no???

(EVERYTHING above is my own opinion, my speculations, my own silly theories. TY«)

Mommyof1 wrote:I don't believe JoJo still wants Chad.  He does sound like an azz.  JoJo wants her some Jordan.  

According to "rumors" in Dallas and yes they are just rumors, she is definitely over Chad. :cutesmile!:

Mommyof1 wrote:I don't believe JoJo still wants Chad.  He does sound like an azz.  JoJo wants her some Jordan.  

Agreed. And they're nothing alike in their treatment of her so far either. Also, Jackson is Jo's dog, not Chad's and not shared, she's made that abundantly clear.

Mommyof1 wrote:I don't believe JoJo still wants Chad.  He does sound like an azz.  JoJo wants her some Jordan.  

Who will probably turn out to be an azz too. Guess she just likes Azz's