The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #3

Hey guys, not much of a poster, but I thought I'd quickly share my opinions, some of which have been discussed. Please delete it if its irrelevant or posted in the wrong section. Btw, loving everyone's Sleuthing (y).

Edit so far:
I'll begin with limo exits, although not a large point and I'm not sure how relevant it is but I think it could be something, the F1 of the past few seasons at least have been shown physically getting out of the limo in their first meeting with JoJo and a large chunk of their conversation is shown. Jordan is shown getting out of the limo AND his conversation with Jojo is shown, While Robby whose exit is a few after Jordan's, doesn't show him getting out of the limo and pretty much cuts straight to the meeting, and then we have chase whose meeting was interjected with scenes of the guys in the mansion and was cut short. I think in terms of the limo exits and analysing that, Jordan screams F1. I mean despite Catherine(From Sean) and Chris S(From Des) not featuring too prominently in their earlier episodes, them physically getting out of the limo was still shown.

And then in terms of the edit so far, they've shown a natural progression with Jordan and highlighted a connection, with the obstacle of trust & cheating to come. Whilst this seems like an extreme obstacle, I think the only way they can make it work, if Jordan is the F1, is that if Jordan really falls deep in the later episodes, and is obviously GENUINELY in love and wanting her with maybe a bit of begging/tears. Otherwise, I don't think it'll be logical for him to be F1. In terms of Robby, we have not seen much of him, but in pretty much the first scene we see of them they are passionately making out, and the producers have made no attempt to highlight the interactions prior to this and haven't really shown their connection. This edit so far just doesn't say F1 to me, especially if theyre introducing the obstacle of his exgf at the HTD stage, having starting showing them together so late, It just doesn't seem logical to me for him to be F1 IMO.

Preview:
In terms of the preview, The fact that Jojo says she doesn't want a Bad Boy and then proceeds to highlight Chad, Jordan, and Robby as bad boys, puzzles me. From that, I think she either ends up with Chase or by herself. If not, my thinking is that she overcomes the hurdle with Jordan and he ends up desperately wanting to be with her. Otherwise, the previews telling me that she ends up alone.

SM:
In terms of SM activity so far I won't go into it that much, but I remember on the day of the premiere I vaguely recall a radio station or something tweeted Jordan to ask if he could go on for a chat, and he tweeted back only after the finale. Im gonna need to look back to find it. Surely, that points to him making at least F2, cos aren't you allowed to spill the beans after they show you getting kicked off the show/winning? And for him to say after the finale, would that mean that he makes it to F2 at least? Also, in terms of SHVs other than Jordan, have we been able to place jojo and robby at different locations all the time? The only time they could have had a SHV is last week between tuesday-friday I'm thinking, and of course now. With regard to Robby, He's ott sm with his love for Jojo reminds me of when Ash or Grace posted about Robby's family friend posting about being able to promote cat food(perhaps hinting to promoting him as bachelor), and makes me think all this Jojo stuff is all about promoting himself for the bachelor.

All in all, I'm thinking Jojo either ends up with Jordan or ends up alone. Whats happening after FRC, who knows, maybe she really did pull a mesnick! haha! Keep in mind, I'm not taking any of the real life stuff like him ALLEGEDLY cheating, into consideration. I'm still not sure what to think about that, part of me thinks YOOOOUUU DAAAWWWGGG, and then part of me feels like he's not really like that and they're painting a bad picture of him. mmmm I guess we shall see

^^^Nice! Keep posting!

jjdavid wrote:Hey guys, not much of a poster, but I thought I'd quickly share my opinions, some of which have been discussed. Please delete it if its irrelevant or posted in the wrong section. Btw, loving everyone's Sleuthing (y).

Edit so far:
I'll begin with limo exits, although not a large point and I'm not sure how relevant it is but I think it could be something, the F1 of the past few seasons at least have been shown physically getting out of the limo in their first meeting with JoJo and a large chunk of their conversation is shown. Jordan is shown getting out of the limo AND his conversation with Jojo is shown, While Robby whose exit is a few after Jordan's, doesn't show him getting out of the limo and pretty much cuts straight to the meeting, and then we have chase whose meeting was interjected with scenes of the guys in the mansion and was cut short. I think in terms of the limo exits and analysing that, Jordan screams F1. I mean despite Catherine(From Sean) and Chris S(From Des) not featuring too prominently in their earlier episodes, them physically getting out of the limo was still shown.

And then in terms of the edit so far, they've shown a natural progression with Jordan and highlighted a connection, with the obstacle of trust & cheating to come. Whilst this seems like an extreme obstacle, I think the only way they can make it work, if Jordan is the F1, is that if Jordan really falls deep in the later episodes, and is obviously GENUINELY in love and wanting her with maybe a bit of begging/tears. Otherwise, I don't think it'll be logical for him to be F1. In terms of Robby, we have not seen much of him, but in pretty much the first scene we see of them they are passionately making out, and the producers have made no attempt to highlight the interactions prior to this and haven't really shown their connection. This edit so far just doesn't say F1 to me, especially if theyre introducing the obstacle of his exgf at the HTD stage, having starting showing them together so late, It just doesn't seem logical to me for him to be F1 IMO....

Great summary, jjd. So, as per the "edit so far" since you mentioned Catherine, I'd say that Robby's edit could be compared to hers. The 1st time we saw an interaction with Sean, was of them kissing outside in epi 4 (chemistry shown, like Robby/Jojo), nothing much before then. Her "obstacle" also didn't come up until the htd, in the form of the mom (no approval) and sisters (shown to throw her under the bus, so to speak). My take is that the general edit has been used in the past for a F1, not far-fetche . Not to say that it proves anything...

HEA wrote:

jen689 wrote:

2observe wrote:Could it be that Jojo is trying to make a decision as she is walking on the beach?  

Don't they have a similar shot of all the leads contemplating who they will choose on the day of the FRC

the sun is truly down imo to comtemplate who she will choose and on top to mess around her dress before the ceremony does not make sense tome

jmo

The decision is not make on the day of FRC, it's usually done the evening after the last LCD. I definitely don't believe she's wearing a FRC or RC outfit. It just looks to me like she's contemplating(sp?) something. So I think that she's weighing all of the pros and cons. jmo

What a great post, JJdavid!!! I don't want to agree with you but I think I might Seriously, great summary, stick around!

nd4reality wrote:Ok just to getthe Memorial Day thing into a proper perspective, could those travels be anything other than SHVs by any chance? I was not on this side and don't want  to take this information at face value.

I came late on the board and I also missed a couple of early sleuthing so I am glad that you are asking too.

jen689 wrote:

HEA wrote:

jen689 wrote:Don't they have a similar shot of all the leads contemplating who they will choose on the day of the FRC

the sun is truly down imo to comtemplate who she will choose..

I wasn't paying attention to the sun in the background of the photo just the dress. The dress is very perplexing. Too fancy for a walk on the beach yet a little too casual for the FRC JMO

I honestly thing that the view of the full dress is too blurred to be appreciated as a beautiful dress. Jojo loves sexy. Plunging V dress showing her breast (that she has beautiful BTW). The top is gorgeous and the bottom is very light and fluid.

mercieme wrote:Posters here speculated that Jojo would have a SHV with her F1 around Memorial Day weekend in LA because both Andi & Kaitlyn had SHV on memorial holiday weekend. Well Andi's was in Atlanta so different location. But Kaitlyn's was in LA.  

Anywhoo both Jojo & Jordan were seen leaving California  per SM postings at 2 separate LA airports. In addition posters said that they posted / faved SM postings around the same time. Also Jordan was seen wearing an LA Dodger baseball cap which posters speculated Jojo must have given him since she threw the first pitch at an LA Dodger game few days earlier.

Except this is all part of the farce going on this season,  it seemed the clues from posters indicate a SHV between Jojo & Jordan over Memorial Day weekend.

On today's video, Luke is wearing (again) the same LA Dodger baseball cap... just saying.
If they were at a different airport, how could they post SM at the same time unless they were both waiting their different flights at around the same time. Not very convincing here. But leaving at the same time makes me pause.

relaxing wrote:
Your sleuthing is what convinced me this was def possible HEA .  I don't know how likely it is, but it's definitely possible IMO and makes me excited as opposed to what RS says.

I want a foiler and this is the one that satisfies me the most. RS was wrong with Chase and we know that this season he is missing a lot of parts mid-season. So unless someone gave him a picture of both jordan/jojo at the finale or airport at that time, anything conclusive that 100% she picked him... He is acting like usual: too sure of himself. He claimed that after being wrong, he check and re-check and re-re-check... but then here we are: he was wrong with Chase.

At this point I do switch Chase and not mention Luke. Still this vital final clue that Luke is definitely F4. But this deleting stull on his IG on april 28, 2 days after the F4 ceremony is definitely a huge clue. But I think he was truly in love. His intensity when he is with her does not lie for me. And 2 days later he is already cleaning his IG to be next bachelor? Plus Luke, if we check is SM, is not a crazy SM player. He has fun once in a while but not crazy about it. I stand by my opinion that if he went on his IG, it is to protect his friends, family and maybe exes and in the process probably clean up so old silly stuff he came across with. Is it possible they told him he has it in the pocket for the next gig? sure!!! Did they make some promises? for sure!! But for him to immediately clean his instagram to be ready? nope.

Anyhow, The only satisfactory ending for me is the noone. I will try to find more evidences but I keep like everyone an open mind for clues and other possibilities... which would truly sucks if it is the case uh?

Great post JJDavid and welcome aboard

Not to discount or overlook anything that could be a potential clue, but the LA cap appearing on multiple guys could be as simple as it was in their swag bags.  Or maybe they all just like the hat or the team and it has nothing to do with Jojo.  Just a thought...

2observe wrote:

HEA wrote:

jen689 wrote:
Don't they have a similar shot of all the leads contemplating who they will choose on the day of the FRC

the sun is truly down imo to comtemplate who she will choose and on top to mess around her dress before the ceremony does not make sense tome

jmo

The decision is not make on the day of FRC, it's usually done the evening after the last LCD.  I definitely don't believe she's wearing a FRC or RC outfit.  It just looks to me like she's contemplating(sp?) something.  So I think that she's weighing all of the pros and cons.  jmo

I watched it several time and this is what I see:

- standing, she has her eyes closed and she is touching her hair
- she opens her eyes and pull up her chin
- start walking and take part of her skirt in her hand and walk away but not with a purpose in mind

For me, it means that she just did something or she is turning a page of her life and moves on.

great post @jjdavid

the only think that I would like to add is that they also added Luke in the scheme: he had his full intro (the longuest), then his has his unicorn entrance and he had this boots chat.

Last are generally not F1 but I just wanted to mention it.

The only thing that is different with Jordan is that he got first entrance and first rose and first kiss which is very much like roberto and ali.

I'm not sure I see all that in the couple of seconds we get in the dress.  Hopefully, once we get the next big, rest of the season preview it'll be clearer.  But for all we know at this point, some camera dude could've just said, stand there, looking all serious, in deep thought like you have a huge decisions to make... Not like your deciding between Mariott slipper boy and BBJ on who you want to date in the real world for a while.  

this is what I see:

- standing, she has her eyes closed and she is touching her hair
- she opens her eyes and pull up her chin
- start walking and take part of her skirt in her hand and walk away but not with a purpose in mind

made some scaps in the no discussion thread to illustrate

https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t3505p48-the-bachelorette-season-12-jojo-fletcher-scaps-no-discussion-sleuthing-spoilers#976498

I sit on my couch with my eyes closed, touching my hair as I ponder on members'  posts. I open my eyes, and pull up my chin in thought. Rise from the couch, clutch the wires attached to laptop, phone and kindle so I don't freaking get tangled in them and trip as I walk with purpose to the kitchen for more coffee. 
All in a day at the forum.