NO SPOILERS - JORDAN - Bachelorette 12 - *Sleuthing - NO Spoilers*

AllAboutLove wrote:

Katiebelle wrote:TPTB do everything for a reason. They edit and create the story to get the outcome they want.

I have no idea if Jordan is a bad boy or not (or even Robby for that matter) but they are showing us, the viewers, this edit because they want us to think that.

They are bringing out the ex girlfriend issues for a reason. Whether these two come out of this squeaky clean who knows. I do know this though - and I've only watched this show for 18 months - if TPTB want you to have a bad edit then you'll have a bad edit - whether you're a super duper nice guy or a complete as$hole. They will manipulate and twist to get the story line they want.

They have highlighted Luke as a sensitive war veteran and Chase as a considerate sweetheart  (I mean come on... the snow!) but those guys could be real douches in RL. We don't know especially as we in this unspoiled thread are not looking at their SM.  BUT the personas TPTB are showing us has definitely put them in the "nice guy" category.

Excellent post and ITA @Katiebelle.

I haven't caught up yet on the threads (RL and sleuthing Richie's season getting in the way) but ITA that if TPTB are editing someone negatively they have their reasons. Doesn't matter if they are F1 or F12 - they do what they want to fit the story they want to sell no matter how real or fake it may be.

From the getgo I think JoJo's season with the Christmas theme (Santa Claus) is about the "Naughty vs Nice" or "Bad vs Good" guys and which one will JoJo choose.

It seems like that is her dilemma -- will she go back to the bad boys of her past or to the good guys?

Jordan seems to have already had doubt in his edit form the season promo so that could be because he is a bad guy (based on edit) that JoJo chooses as F1...or ... a bad guy she let's go before FRC...  I can see it going either way atm.

Will she risk losing a few really good guys by making a more risky choice? Of course she is not going to be able to help who she falls in love with. I'm not sure she will go back to her old patterns after the ex, then Ben, now the ex tabloid nightmare, then these ex-GF allegations. She may if she is long gone for Jordan. Of course they have palpable chemistry, but I don't think the gap between Jordan and the others is as big as TPTB will have us believe right now. 

So either the risky ones will prevail (Jordan/Robby) or will she choose one of the guys who makes her feel safe and protected?? Will she choose someone who fits closer to the description of Ben H? In this scenario, because we have no SCs of Luke in Thailand yet, she cuts him loose to spare his feelings at F4, leaving Chase as F1, the won who surprised her and won her over. 

Another thing to think about: After Jordan tells JoJo he's falling in love, the challenge and chase will be essentially over for JoJo. Will he be as captivating to her then I wonder?

agentcurls wrote:

rhondam

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Re: Chase
I think Chase would move to Dallas for JoJo. He seems pretty crazy about her. JoJo seems open-minded to moving for love, too. I think she would've moved to Colorado for Ben H. Or maybe it will be a join decision for her and her F1.
She did write this in her episode 3 blog:
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"When we walked in the yoga studio, the place was absolutely steaming. And anyone who knows me will tell you that I don't do so well in the heat. Cold? No problem. Heat. We have a problem. Yes, I'm from Dallas and I love it there. But that doesn't mean I handle the heat well!"
^Maybe she and Chase share a love for winter? (Sorry, may be reading too much into it ).


Re: Jordan's "falling in love" and JoJo's happiness over the declaration. It's usually not until FD or LCD that the F1 and lead overcome their obstacle, right? So, I do think something is amiss when TPTB are showing Jorjo (almost) riding off into the sunset together already by episode 7. I think there has to be more to it come episodes 8-11. 

Lots of good points agent. This is what I was thinking—JoJo doesn't do well in the heat but LOVES Dallas. Chase WOULD move FOR HER but he did say he LOVES the snow and snowboarding. If he REALLY loves it (like I assumed) then he'd be sacrificing too much unless he goes back and forth on weekends during winter months. I think Ben would've moved for Jo but luckily non-issue.  

Ooooo yes you're right! Thank you! I never thought it was too early for Jordan to say that so soon! Uh-oh for him. Luke has to be there at F1 then and not Jordan. BUT why would TPTB show us his "I love you" in the preview at all?? This makes me believe something awful enough to make all viewers believe he is done for sure (does he leave then come back later? Ed? or is it about the cheating and she says a convincing, "that's an absolute deal breaker" but later changes her mind?). Oh, you already said that, "more to come". I'm sorry you guys reading this..... I'm slow on the show formatting. I really thought it was an "I'm falling in love with you" not an "I love you" until I just re-watched that scene now. :halo: Oooops, how long have you all known this?! I'm so embarrassed. You all just politely put up with my ramblings . Well now that I've finally caught up..... this is going to be even better than I thought. :Woah-hoo:

agentcurls wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:**snip**
Jordan seems to have already had doubt in his edit form the season promo so that could be because he is a bad guy (based on edit) that JoJo chooses as F1...or ... a bad guy she let's go before FRC...  I can see it going either way atm.

Will she risk losing a few really good guys by making a more risky choice? Of course she is not going to be able to help who she falls in love with. I'm not sure she will go back to her old patterns after the ex, then Ben, now the ex tabloid nightmare, then these ex-GF allegations. She may if she is long gone for Jordan. Of course they have palpable chemistry, but I don't think the gap between Jordan and the others is as big as TPTB will have us believe right now. 

So either the risky ones will prevail (Jordan/Robby) or will she choose one of the guys who makes her feel safe and protected?? Will she choose someone who fits closer to the description of Ben H? In this scenario, because we have no SCs of Luke in Thailand yet, she cuts him loose to spare his feelings at F4, leaving Chase as F1, the won who surprised her and won her over. 

Another thing to think about: After Jordan tells JoJo he's falling in love, the challenge and chase will be essentially over for JoJo. Will he be as captivating to her then I wonder?

Yes the bad boy / good guy theme has been prevalent and she does say "safe" a lot. I think you are right-on about the protected also..... The fireman date—saving and protecting Jo. The ESPN date—the hosts choosing the best/nicest/safest guy for her. Not sure how the other dates fit that theme but they might. 

TPTB showing Chase and Robby in Thailand in the preview makes sense to me now. If they didn't, the audience would be certain that Jordan would be in the F3!! That was bugging me so much.

I don't think Jo would lose interest in a guy when the challenge and chase were over. She doesn't strike me as that type. If anything, I think she'd actually welcome it and be relieved, once her doubts were laid to rest. 

Just realized I was thinking "out loud" through out my post. I hope it doesn't sound like rambling. I mean well.  

@rhondam, so you're thinking that "falling in love" from Jordan isn't too soon edit-wise because the bigger "ILY" is coming from him later in the F1 spot?

^ I originally thought that, but agent, he says "I'm in love with you" in the scene at the dinner table, with her white blouse with black lace up the sleeve. 



When is that? because isn't she wearing that when kissing ? him I assumed, on the stairwell with the white and black tile floor below and I assumed that was Argentina/Uruguay. Would she wear a long sleeved blouse in Thailand? Seems a little too office-y for a FD date. Hmmmm maybe it's a different blouse.... Did we sleuth that it's the same blouse? HELP!!


Litta's SCs

^^Because of the brown lace pattern on her sleeve, I'm pretty sure it's the same blouse, so same date. There are other SCs (somewhere) which show her blouse a little more clearly on the stairs.

ETA: Here's one cap for example...


my SC

Ok, thank you for clearing that up! 
So I guess I'm wondering now what will be Jorjo's storyline after he says ILY in episode 7? That will put some of JoJo's fears to rest no doubt. It appears JoJo gets over the ex-GF talk and Jordan is ready to go all in.
I didn't watch Andi's season, but do you think Jorjo's trajectory is similar to Andi/Josh M? A fairly obvious F1 from episode 7 onwards?
 
I would understand it going down that way, completely. But part of me thinks the obstacles are overcome too soon? Thoughts?

I think the obstacles are overcome too soon. In Andi's season they guys were questioning either Nick or Marcus about how they feel about Josh doing so well with Andi considering they are close friends. But whereas in Andi's season where it was a race between Nick and Josh, this time around, it's a race of Jordan versus the other F3. Also in Andi's season after the lie dectector test we get an ITM from Josh wondering whether he'd be going home after their "fight". But on a following episode after Josh said he loved Andi, that was the end game. Where they are similar though is that Jordan and Josh get frustrated as to having to prove themselves to the lead etc. But I'm sure once the ILY comes out, all of her concerns will be moot.

^Or they can do what they did with Ben's season: Bring in another very viable candidate to create doubt. Lauren essentially had zero obstacles after HTDs. She hadn't yet said "I love you," which was accomplished on her FSD. Meanwhile, Ben and Jo kept growing closer such that it seemed like a neck-in-neck race to the very end.

Chris had also professed his love to Des by the week before HTDs. It took into the FSDs and for another character to throw a huge wrench in the plan for Chris and Des to encounter their final obstacle. That could happen again.

Either all of this negativity is being thrown at us because things sour with Jordan or he's the F1 and something happens to redeem him.

Almost time...

JoJo's Ep 5 blog added here

I think he's F1 somehow (he's the only one she is chasing), but beginning to wonder if its not a straight road to get there. Wondering if he's the reason for her crying at the airport hangar - does he walk away and then comes back in Thailand?

Does anyone know if we have any screen caps for a hometown date for him yet? Would make her comments in the preview at the FRC make sense.

I'm wondering if the note JoJo holds in her ITM shown before the FRC holds the key. Perhaps she cut Jordan based on what one of the other guys told her...only to find out it was a lie...or at least an embellishment of the truth. There's so many ways this story can swing...perhaps the guy breaking her heart is actually Robby.

This article was on a website that I read regularly: A Lesson from the Bachelorette on How to Spot a Lie

Do you ladies think that Jordan was lying at dinner?