The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - Epi 11 - Aug 1st - FRC- *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

i don't normally move so many posts, but there's a lot of good conversation going on.

Thread 1 here

pavalygurl wrote:

babs wrote:

nd4reality wrote:I don't see it but what do I know ? I see a lot of love and support for them.

I think the problem might be that JoJo is the baby and is use to everyone doting on her. Giving her a lot of attention. I get the feeling that she is not accustomed to hearing negative things about her and it has been hard for her to accept that she is not everone's little princess. I like JoJo but I do think she can act spoiled.

I did not like JoJo's behavior with her parents. I also saw a bit of the mask come off during the ATFR. I still like her but am disappointed. Jordan was in rare form last night. As far as I can tell he got the JOB he wanted and will tap dance with the girl for awhile cause he does like her...but.

mindless wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:If they truly felt they have nothing to prove, then it shouldn't have been difficult to ignore negative SM IMHO.

I think that had more to do with the hurtful comments IMO. Like people saying he didn't love her and all this other stuff.

I'm sorry but I will never understand any one of these contestants that have the need to be stressed out over negative SM. If the relationship is strong, it should't matter what people you don't even know think of you. It's all the way that it's handled that tells me the story. She had a hissy fit and called out whatever that rag mag was and said it's all garbage. Yelled when she said it. Who was she trying to convince? The audience, herself, whatever. I would be laughing at it. JMHO

I think we have to remember that no matter how strong these relationships may be, they're only the start of a relationship. By the time of the proposal these people have spent a whopping few hours alone together and they don't get much time together while the show is airing either. There's always a period at the start of a relationship when you don't quite know if you can fully trust each other, simply because you don't even know each other. Trust is something that needs to be earned. Now imagine reading all kinds of rumours about your new fiance, some of the accusations coming from actual exes, so called insiders etc. Then everyone and their cat has a opinion on it, which they feel the need to share all over SM. No matter how good your relationship may feel to you, all that negativity is bound to mess with your mind to some extent. Based on their interviews it seems they've already moved past it though and now they're moving in together. If there are any questions left then they will surely be answered in due time.

MiaHawk wrote:I am still don't get this ending. I am still nonplussed.
I'm calling upon @Kashathediva to lay it all out to me in 3 bullet points. Please and TIA.

nd4reality wrote:

albean99 wrote:I never saw the love with Emily and Jef. I always remember the video from their People shoot when someone called cut and he dropped his arms off her like she was a hot potato.

I guess Jordan being here in Dallas vs Nashville doesn't really matter for his new job as long as he's willing to fly. I wonder what he would have done if he wasn't f1?

IMO moved anyway. Perhaps temporary during season.

First time in a while that I watched a finale in a completely unbiased where I didn't really like either of the F2 but liked the lead.

The one thing I did appreciate the whole night was when Robby and Jordan asked both the parents for her hand - my family and I are quite untraditional so for me I didn't want my husband to ask my parents - but if he had I would want him to ask both as they both raised me not just my dad so I really appreciated that whether producer prodded or not.

Otherwise I thought that JoJo looked really anxious on stage and I really feel like they are taking a beating with all the media coverage on this. I do suspect it has not been smooth sailing, rightfully so, and I thought that Jordan was really good at putting on a good face whereas it seemed pretty obvious on JoJo that it wasn't all flowers and rainbows.

I was so mad that they kept bringing up Aaron and the family rift. As much as I do not like Jordan I have felt that he has not been the one to focus on that issue it has been more a result of producer prodding/focus. So awkward and uncomfortable and I felt horrible for all involved having to watch.

I don't have a lot of faith in this couple for two reasons.

1. Being if all the chatters is true than I hope it catches up to Jordan sooner rather than later - and I hope it leaves JoJo relatively unscathed because I do personally like her

2. If untrue I think the rumours will wain on both of them and I think it is very difficult starting this type of relationship in the public eye, let alone with this level of negativity. I think it has already started to get to them, specifically JoJo based on AFTR

Overall I think unfortunately the rumours, at least to a certain extent, are true about Jordan. Not because of what RS says but more because of the number of comments (i.e. twitter, IG, other rumblings) and by the range of people it is coming from. As it does not seem isolated. Where there is smoke there is usually fire IMO.

Mia, not Kasha, but here is my one bullet point of what happened:

1. The heart wants what the heart wants. Her heart skipped a beat the moment she laid eyes on him, and no one else quite caught up, imo.

What Bet said. Who knows the reasoning. It does not matter. 
Does this help?
I am so exhausted today, I can't think. LOL

JoJo has said multiple times, it was ALWAYS Jordan. Nothing was ever going to change that, imo.

Yes she probably said it before filming too.

hey, they pass my old "Watch the Feet" test with flying colors -- moving in together immediately, involving a relocation on his part.  So, they deserve a pass on the snark about the Bubble etc.  

Such a relief not to have all that mealy mouth crap that accompanies the fake from day one couples.

Forced a speed end to Josh/Andi to co-habit -- so we'll see where they are as of November or so, but for now, I'm on board -- real couple, not Contracted Happy Couple.  I believe!

And also, at least the man has a j-o-b. That's my other test.

I guess for me at this point, I just don't care if she did think or like him before filming.  If I'd been in the same situation, I know I'd have looked into him too. Am I the only one?  

Maybe that did put him at a slight advantage but it could've backfired just as easily.  Because what if he wasn't what she thought, didn't have the personality she gravitated towards, wasn't willing to put up with all her melt downs and endless questions, etc.

And I personally thought while she always was all about Jordan, she tried to get to know, gave other relationships a chance and explored them until she realized it wouldn't work because she wanted someone else.  Sometimes it's as simple as that, you can't force something with someone when you like, love and want someone else more.  JMO

^@jlccaz, head on over to the fan thread!    You are welcome to join us!

sbolduc wrote:

Overall I think unfortunately the rumours, at least to a certain extent, are true about Jordan. Not because of what RS says but more because of the number of comments (i.e. twitter, IG, other rumblings) and by the range of people it is coming from. As it does not seem isolated. Where there is smoke there is usually fire IMO.

T H I S.

Because I really like JoJo, I wish the rumors weren't true, but I believe they are for the reasons you've stated. 

One day she'll realize she deserves more. 

I'm going to stick up for Jordan here. JoJo is only 25, and very immature in some regards. He handles her very well and she needs someone to calm her down. I think they stand a chance because

1. They have fun together
2. They are smart and Jordan is beginning a new career. (Btw there are 20 flights from DFW to Charlotte daily on AA)
3. They have the support of family. I am convinced the reason we only saw 5 min of Jordan with her family is because he clicked so well with her siblings.
4. Jordan is a catch. The rumors are all girls who were much more into him than he was into them. I think he is a strong and confident individual and would not propose to JoJo if he wasn't into her. He has plenty of girls interested in him and he could have left the show - many others have done just that.

I wish them well, but I hope they don't rush a wedding.

Ladybug82 wrote:I guess for me at this point, I just don't care if she did think or like him before filming.  If I'd been in the same situation, I know I'd have looked into him too.  Am I the only one?  

Maybe that did put him at a slight advantage but it could've backfired just as easily.  Because what if he wasn't what she thought, didn't have the personality she gravitated towards, wasn't willing to put up with all her melt downs and endless questions, etc.

And I personally thought while she always was all about Jordan, she tried to get to know, gave other relationships a chance and explored them until she realized it wouldn't work because she wanted someone else.  Sometimes it's as simple as that, you can't force something with someone when you like, love and want someone else more.  JMO