The Bachelorette 12 - JoJo Fletcher - S/Caps - SM - Sleuthing - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I think that looks like Alex. The abundance of tats, the curl in his hair and he appears to be short. Jmo.

In the screen cap no discussion thread one of the guys gives Jojo two blue balls in his limo entrance who is this? There had better be a cute story attached to those balls. Also it appears from pictures in the same thread that Chase keeps on the silly sunglasses and mustache after going into the mansion. Yikes. Love me some Chase, that schtick had better play!

Just something I noticed: Jordan and Robby are wearing the exact same outfit in the fist bumping promo as they were the first night stepping out of the limo.

casjacknick wrote:In the screen cap no discussion thread one of the guys gives Jojo two blue balls in his limo entrance who is this? There had better be a cute story attached to those balls. Also it appears from pictures in the same thread that Chase keeps on the silly sunglasses and mustache after going into the mansion. Yikes. Love me some Chase, that schtick had better play!

Sal is the one that gives her the blue balls... but according to RS, he was sent home the first night. There must not have been a cute story with it since she didn't keep him

So I was trying to figure out who got the missing ID on week 4 and this is where I am stumped (plz help with your thoughts):



Week 4: Penn
3/27 - 1 on 1 (???)
3/28 - 1 on 1 (Luke)
3/29 - group (Football Date)
3/30 - RC 4

Football date:
- Chad (per promo 3)
- Jordan (per photo above AND Fleiss tweet about someone having an advantage)
- Derek (per photo above)
- Vinny (per photo above)
- Evan (per photo above)
- James F (per photo above)
- Wells (I believe that is the person in the photo above)
- Grant (per promo 3 & photo above)

I can't capture a non blurry photo of the person behind Jordan, but from what I could tell he seemed to have light brown hair and looked shorter than Jordan (but he could be sitting or leaning), which made me think it could either be James T or Chase

People who we know are in the top 8 but are not listed above:
Alex, Robby, Luke, James T, and Chase

James T got a ID the week before, so we know he either was on the football date, or did not get a date that week.
Luke got a ID this week
Robby has the fireworks date the next week (Uruguay), I believe we were still indecisive on whether it was a ID or a 2/1?, but either way, that means he did not have a ID this week.
That leaves Alex or Chase to have a ID that week.

That makes the total 13 guys at the start of the episode, which in the past 6/10 bachelor/ette seasons, ep 4 has started with 13 people.

The guy with the question mark, I am unable to figure out, but based on the hair line/shape (not the hair color) it looked like Will... it could possibly be Daniel, but I'm not sure... but anyway that would bring the total number of guys in ep 4 to 14.

Chase is supposedly taller than Jordan (bios.)

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:Chase is supposedly taller than Jordan (bios.)

Yes Chase is taller than Jordan. I just snooped through his IG that was juat reactivated...he is about the same height as Ben but Chase is a big dude IMO.

lex24419 wrote:So I was trying to figure out who got the missing ID on week 4 and this is where I am stumped (plz help with your thoughts):



Week 4: Penn
3/27 - 1 on 1 (???)
3/28 - 1 on 1 (Luke)
3/29 - group (Football Date)
3/30 - RC 4

Football date:
- Chad (per promo 3)
- Jordan (per photo above AND Fleiss tweet about someone having an advantage)
- Derek (per photo above)
- Vinny (per photo above)
- Evan (per photo above)
- James F (per photo above)
- Wells (I believe that is the person in the photo above)
- Grant (per promo 3 & photo above)

I can't capture a non blurry photo of the person behind Jordan, but from what I could tell he seemed to have light brown hair and looked shorter than Jordan (but he could be sitting or leaning), which made me think it could either be James T or Chase

People who we know are in the top 8 but are not listed above:
Alex, Robby, Luke, James T, and Chase

James T got a ID the week before, so we know he either was on the football date, or did not get a date that week.
Luke got a ID this week
Robby has the fireworks date the next week (Uruguay), I believe we were still indecisive on whether it was a ID or a 2/1?, but either way, that means he did not have a ID this week.
That leaves Alex or Chase to have a ID that week.

That makes the total 13 guys at the start of the episode, which in the past 6/10 bachelor/ette seasons, ep 4 has started with 13 people.

The guy with the question mark, I am unable to figure out, but based on the hair line/shape (not the hair color) it looked like Will... it could possibly be Daniel, but I'm not sure... but anyway that would bring the total number of guys in ep 4 to 14.

We do know there was 14 guys in New York.  For stats sake, epi 4 has started with anywhere between 11 to 15 people so don't think that 13 people is a hard fast rule.When there are more people starting the season, there is likely more(according to stats) at the epi 4 stage so in no means was there only 13 there at that time as a hard fast rule.  For example with Kaitlyn's season, there were actually 14 there for epi 4.

Epi 4 stats:  

people starting epi 4:

Bette:

5:    13
6:    11
7:    12
8:    13
9:    13
10:  13
11:  14


Bach:

15:    14
16:    13
17:    13
18:    13
19:    15
20:    14


This pic may help with things.  IMO, the one you have labeled as Jordan, could actually be Chase and Jordan could be behind/beside him.  I don't think we can absolutely say that Christian was on the group date neither with the little amount we can see of that guy. IMO. Got a clearer piic of the guys and labeled:

Could this be a 1 on 1 with Alex in episode 4?


LB SC

grace8136 wrote:Could this be a 1 on 1 with Alex in episode 4?


LB SC

Yes, it could be Grace, I don't think that Chase had his individual date in epi 4 but rather in epi 3.

Aunties_Love wrote:

lex24419 wrote:So I was trying to figure out who got the missing ID on week 4 and this is where I am stumped (plz help with your thoughts):



Week 4: Penn
3/27 - 1 on 1 (???)
3/28 - 1 on 1 (Luke)
3/29 - group (Football Date)
3/30 - RC 4

Football date:
- Chad (per promo 3)
- Jordan (per photo above AND Fleiss tweet about someone having an advantage)
- Derek (per photo above)
- Vinny (per photo above)
- Evan (per photo above)
- James F (per photo above)
- Wells (I believe that is the person in the photo above)
- Grant (per promo 3 & photo above)

I can't capture a non blurry photo of the person behind Jordan, but from what I could tell he seemed to have light brown hair and looked shorter than Jordan (but he could be sitting or leaning), which made me think it could either be James T or Chase

People who we know are in the top 8 but are not listed above:
Alex, Robby, Luke, James T, and Chase

James T got a ID the week before, so we know he either was on the football date, or did not get a date that week.
Luke got a ID this week
Robby has the fireworks date the next week (Uruguay), I believe we were still indecisive on whether it was a ID or a 2/1?, but either way, that means he did not have a ID this week.
That leaves Alex or Chase to have a ID that week.

That makes the total 13 guys at the start of the episode, which in the past 6/10 bachelor/ette seasons, ep 4 has started with 13 people.

The guy with the question mark, I am unable to figure out, but based on the hair line/shape (not the hair color) it looked like Will... it could possibly be Daniel, but I'm not sure... but anyway that would bring the total number of guys in ep 4 to 14.

We do know there was 14 guys in New York.  For stats sake, epi 4 has started with anywhere between 11 to 15 people so don't think that 13 people is a hard fast rule.When there are more people starting the season, there is likely more(according to stats) at the epi 4 stage so in no means was there only 13 there at that time as a hard fast rule.  For example with Kaitlyn's season, there were actually 14 there for epi 4.

Epi 4 stats:  

people starting epi 4:

Bette:

5:    13
6:    11
7:    12
8:    13
9:    13
10:  13
11:  14


Bach:

15:    14
16:    13
17:    13
18:    13
19:    15
20:    14


This pic may help with things.  IMO, the one you have labeled as Jordan, could actually be Chase and Jordan could be behind/beside him.  I don't think we can absolutely say that Christian was on the group date neither with the little amount we can see of that guy.  IMO.  Got a clearer piic of the guys and labeled:

I never said Christian was on the group date or even still in the running by episode 4???

for the sake of stats, I said the past 6/10... of course there are other possibilities, I was just trying to validate that 13 could be an option..? Kaitlyn's season didn't effect the point I was making

Also, yes it could be jordan or chase, i was just trying to figure out who could be the ID.

You're pic is incorrect as RS said Jon was out of the running... I believe it to be Wells, anyone else have any other opinions?

To be honest I was just reaching out to figure out who had the ID that week and I found your response to be a little rude.

I'm not AL, @lex24419 but IMO she wasn't talking to you. She was stating statistics from previous seasons. She never meant that you were trying to indicate anything. She is comparing previous seasons because she keeps excellent records from way back.

That's how I read the post. AL can CMIIW.