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Post by MiaHawk Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:30 am

Litta123 wrote:SCs illustrations...all my SCs.

MiaHawk wrote:SC Part 2...

#6 Jojo walks onto wooden planks, holding shoes in Left hand.
   ---possibly 2 slits in dress
   ---wrists, arms not able to clearly see
   ---3 smaller boats in ocean a bit closer to shore
   ---2 'Thai' looking boats are on beach to the right
   ---dark rocky cliff with one tree atop
   ---"generic" (my term) Thai decorations (no Budha statues like on grassy area)
   ---thick, dry, brown sand with lots of foot prints
   ---small white cap waves as water reaches beach
   ---rose table with fabric doo-dad on side


Original SC followed by a lightened version for detail.Then another view lightened for detail.


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#7 What appears to be Jordan's hands/thumbs holding ringbox in limo
    VO: Oh, God. I'm so scared to let him go"
(JORDAN)
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#8 Jojo PI. Closeup, crying, fanning herself with white papers in Right hand.
    Mouth moving: "I think I"m having a panic attack"
    ---waste line of dress not visible
    ---Left wrist is not visible
    ---no red or brown marks visible on Right wrist or arm above elbow

A couple of views.

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ETA: I'll finished illustrating points 9-15 in the morning as RL is calling...or if someone else wants to join in, feel free.
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Post by moonchild Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:33 am

agentcurls wrote:Quick question: Have TPTB ever shown a contestant's hands close-up on a ring box in preview this early in the season?

Reid holding a ring but that was later in the season. I have noticed a trend of the show releasing info mid way that starts throwing doubt on a fairly obvious F1. I guess their way of fighting all of the rumors and spoilers that almost prevents any kind of surprise ending. Chris' amped up interest in Becca, Kaitlyn's I slept with Nick, Ben's 2 ILYs. My working theory at the moment is that is Jordan coming back to see JoJo. It didnt make sense that they showed Jordan with the ring but went to all of this trouble to make Robby's arms look like Jordan's, why didnt they just use film of Jordan. The only thing that makes sense is because they dont have any film of Jordan at the FRC to make it look like she is letting him go at the FRC. I think there is a big possibility that Luke makes it to Thailand. This is just my opinion.


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Post by MiaHawk Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:34 am

Litta123 wrote:Illustrated with SCs...splitting Mia's Part 3 becuase it's looking like it will be too long with all the added caps.

MiaHawk wrote:SC Part 3...

#9  Jojo Face with hair in mouth, teary eyed. Blue shoulder only, indentation pattern on shoulder and top of sleeve, seam about 3/4 of the way on back of sleeve, no male hands visible.
     Mouth moving: "I fell in love with you"
     ---solid grey background
(JORDAN)

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#10 Jojo NO face, close up of waste line only. Bottom of man's blue sleeve with buttons, male hands are visible. She holds man's hands and kind of bounces them.
     VO: "and I"m still in love with you"
     ---waste line on dress appears pleated all the way around
     ---hairy male hand (thought to be Robby)
     ---finger shape somewhat visible (thought to be Robby)
     ---red dot visible on outside of Jojo's Right wrist
     ---rose table visible in background appears to have no fabric doo-dad
     ---rose has a green rose hip pointing upward
(ROBBY)

Original with JoJo/thumb in focus, then lightened.

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#11  Jojo Face. Blue shoulder only, no hands, seam about 3/4 way back on sleeve
      Mouth moving: "but what you did to me"
(JORDAN)

Original cap, then lightened.

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#12 Jojo NO Face, close up of waste line. Blue sleeve only, buttons, male hands visible.
     VO: "is not right"

(ROBBY)

Original cap, then lightened. What's the green stuff?

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#13 Jojo No face, runs her hand up the same (as #12) man's blue sleeve, can see crease down the center of back of sleeve, but no seam.
     VO: "but I want you to know"

     ---waste line appears pleated all the way around
     ---red mark on outside of Jojo's Right wrist
     ---brown mark on Jojo's Right arm above the elbow
     ---mark on inside of Jojo's Left wrist
( ROBBY)

Original cap, then lightened; followed by a continuing cap, then lightened..

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Less pleats on butt side?

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Post by Litta123 Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:46 am

Wow! I missed a lot of discussion. Here might be a clearer cap. Thanks, AC, for finding the scene Mia was talking about. (My SCs)

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Best shot I have of the thumbnail in the limo.

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Hand images cropped, zoomed and rotated to similar positions, per @AllAboutLoves's request.

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Post by MiaHawk Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:47 am

Litta123 wrote:Mia's Part 3 continued with added caps...

#14 Jojo's Face only, but her mouth is NOT visible because it is blocked by blue shoulder. Blue shoulder only, indentation pattern, no male hands visible.
    VO: "it's really hard for me"

( JORDAN)

Original cap, then lightened.

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#15 Jojo NO face, close up of waste line and hands. Man's hands visible.
    VO: "not to accept"

    ---waste line on dress appears to have full pleat all the way around
    ---hands appear hairy and to have thumbs like Robby
    ---red mark on Jojo's Right wrist
    ---rose table with no doo-dad
(ROBBY)

A couple caps -- originals then followed by lightened versions.

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Why the green above JoJo and hand?????  :con1:

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#16 Jojo's Face, teary eyed, hair in mouth. Blue Shoulder only, indentation pattern.
     Mouth moving: "this love"
(JORDAN)

Original cap, then lightened.

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Post by Litta123 Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:59 am

Lightened to show buttons on sleeve. (My SCs)

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Post by Litta123 Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:06 am

My cap and veg's cap zoomed and cropped.

Definitely Jordan with the ring box...but we already suspected that.

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Post by aviej Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:09 am

I haven't been following all of the sleuthing but I just considered something which may or may not have any merit. Jordan stands at 6"2 and Robby at 6"1. If the FRC is in one location only and the same platform to stand is used in both shots, then one can assume that they are two different men based on the level of JoJo's chin to the men's jacket. See Litta's SCs below:



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Post by AllAboutLove Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:14 am

From these s/caps IMO these are 2 different men based on the veins on their left hands:
1) If you look closely you can see that a vein forks to the middle finger on Robby's hand and in the s/cap with JoJo at FRC
2) In the s/cap matched to Jordan (by Litta awhile back) the vein forks by the ring finger on Jordan's hand holding ring box


Based on these s/caps and the veins I would say that F2 are Robby and Jordan. If so then then that likely leaves Chase for F3 and Luke for F4 based on Thailand s/caps for Chase.  question



1) Robby's hand - vein that forks by middle finger
Litta123 wrote:Hand images cropped, zoomed and rotated to similar positions, per @AllAboutLoves's request.
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2) Jordan's hand - vein that forks by ring finger
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ETA: adding this to show the match to Jordan
Litta123 wrote:My cap and veg's cap zoomed and cropped. Definitely Jordan with the ring box...but we already suspected that.
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Thank you @veg_out and @Litta123 for the zoom and cropped s/caps   bestbud!
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Post by MiaHawk Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:34 am

I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me in that sometimes Jojo's dress appears more beige/cream and at other times more pink. You can see that when Litta lightened up some of the SC it gave a slight pink hue in some of them (at least to my eyes). Well, I think her dress might look slightly different hues in original SCs because they might have had to lighten up some of them in order to get a better match on the 2 blue suits. If there are 2 men in blue suits and they are trying (with the continuous VOs) to make us think she is only speaking to one man, then they have to make the blue suit colors look identical.

I think that is why they never show Jojo's face when she is with Robby (F1), because her facial expression would be quite different from when she is speaking to Jordan (F2). If they showed her face in the Robby clips it would ruined the continuity of the VOs and the montage would not match up with the words we were hearing.

I also think that this is why the background color is turned to a solid color of light grey blue. They want us to think that they are continuous clips, so that have to have the generic grey blue background to accomplish that. If they showed the true background footage in the montage, again we would be able to see the inconsistencies.

This of course is all strictly my opinion. I have never sleuthed before, so who know?!
We still don't know for sure what she fully says to Jordan and Robby, and who, if anyone, pulls a Reid or if Jojo pulls a Mesnick. question
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Post by MiaHawk Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:46 am

Litta123 wrote:Wow! I missed a lot of discussion. Here might be a clearer cap. Thanks, AC, for finding the scene Mia was talking about. (My SCs)

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Best shot I have of the thumbnail in the limo.

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I think you can get a good look at Robby's thumb nail when he is reading Wells date card, if you want to compare it to the SC above.
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Post by northernviewer Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:43 pm

veg_out wrote:
veg_out wrote:
Litta123 wrote:
A couple caps -- originals then followed by lightened versions.

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Why the green above JoJo and hand?????  :con1:

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I think that's Jordan's hand based on the visible branching vein:
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It might help if someone can zoom in and blow up the interview hand.
ETA: That video was done prior to the season--Feb. 13 is the publish date, which is a question in and of itself. Was Jordan leaked then?

Do Robby or Chase have one that matches?

Updated with Robby

Looks like Robby is a nail biter, so we should keep that in mind when looking at sc's


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