THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - **NO SPOILERS** - SCaps - *SLEUTHING* DISCUSSION

Thank you, Mia, for typing this all out. I've tried now to illustrate your points with SCs.

MiaHawk wrote:Here is a listing and description of all clips in the sequence of previews shown at the end of episode 5 (Uruguay). I'm going to describe them in as much detail as I can. If somebody who is SC savvy wants to add SC, that would be cool. I'm going to post in several consecutive posts because this is long.

#1 Close up on Jojo standing on beach with sun setting, ocean in background. She brushes her hair back.
    VO: "Coming into this I"
    ---THERE IS A THIN SILVER [u]BRACELET ON HER LEFT WRIST.[/u](In NO OTHER footage is there a bracelet seen or visible)
    ---there is a yellow hue to clip
    ---mostly only see dress from waste up, BUT for a second you can see the waste line and it appearspleated all the way around
    ---one small boat visible in ocean
    (I think this is 2nd FRC location in CA/Thailand. I think they put a yellow hue to clip to match up with the next clip in the sequence)

Original cap with no lighting change to see the hue Mia refers to. The second cap is lightened and the bracelet is a little more visible. The third cap show the bracelet blown up.








#2 Jojo walking down beach with sun setting and ocean in the background.
    VO: "wanted to find love"
    ---Left wrist is not visible
    ---there is a yellow hue to clip
    ---we get full side view of dress, looks possibly like 1 slit, non-pleated back
    ---multiple boats in ocean, a bit larger and more 'Thai' looking
    (I think this is Thailand at 1st FRC)

Original SC followed by a lightened view.




#3  Jojo PI.
     Mouth Moving: "and I found it with a man" (very sedately speaking)
     ---the waste line of the dress is not visible
     ---her Left wrist is not visible
     ---no red or brown marks visible on her Right wrist or arm above elbow
     ( I think this is Thailand 1st FRC or pick up video added while filming the 2nd FRC in CA/Thailand)



#4  Jojo standing near palm trees. Left hand up to face.
     VO: "that will not be able to love me back the way I said I wanted to be loved"
     ---Left wrist is visible with NO BRACELET
     ---waste line appears to be non-pleated back, 1 slit
     ---she is holding papers in her right hand
(I think this is Thailand 1st FRC)

Original cap, then lightened and blown up to see Mia's details.





#5 Close up of Jojo standing near palm trees, wiping tears from her face.
    Mouth moving: "Why is this happening to me"
    ---Left wrist is visible with NO BRACELET
    ---no red or brown marks visible on her right wrist or arm above elbow
    ---no waste line on dress visible
( I think this is Thailand 1st FRC)

A couple SCs from the same scene.

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MiaHawk wrote:SC Part 2...

#6 Jojo walks onto wooden planks, holding shoes in Left hand.
   ---possibly 2 slits in dress
   ---wrists, arms not able to clearly see
   ---3 smaller boats in ocean a bit closer to shore
   ---2 'Thai' looking boats are on beach to the right
   ---dark rocky cliff with one tree atop
   ---"generic" (my term) Thai decorations (no Budha statues like on grassy area)
   ---thick, dry, brown sand with lots of foot prints
   ---small white cap waves as water reaches beach
   ---rose table with fabric doo-dad on side
(I think this is 2nd FRC location CA/Thailand)

Original SC followed by a lightened version for detail.Then another view lightened for detail.







#7 What appears to be Jordan's hands/thumbs holding ringbox in limo
    VO: Oh, God. I'm so scared to let him go"
(I am guessing this is at 1st FRC in Thailand---but maybe not)



#8 Jojo PI. Closeup, crying, fanning herself with white papers in Right hand.
    Mouth moving: "I think I"m having a panic attack"
    ---waste line of dress not visible
    ---Left wrist is not visible
    ---no red or brown marks visible on Right wrist or arm above elbow
( I think this is at 1st FRC in Thailand)

A couple of views.

ETA: I'll finished illustrating points 9-15 in the morning as RL is calling...or if someone else wants to join in, feel free.

Sorry Mia, forgot to give you a shoutout, yes AMAZING what you've put together! Also amazing how one can watch those previews over and over and OVER again and still find something new! I noticed those marks on her arm, but not the bracelet!

Thanks Litta for adding the pics and you too agent for your DH's input.

A big to everyone on TeamUnspoiled ! Great work by all !

Thanks, Litta, for adding the SCs. I didn't describe the background color of the SCs with the blue suits, but after a SC is posted it will be easier for me to add that.

I have just noticed something else odd.  SC #1 shows bracelet on Left wrist.  In SC #2 you can see a tiny white spot on her Right wrist in both of those SC versions. So I rewatched the video.  Guess what? In SC #2 she is wearing a bracelet on her Right wrist. So what does this mean?

It could mean that they flipped the video. So what first appears as her Left side ( bracelet) now looks like her Right side (Bracelet). This would be accomplished by hving her walk in the opposite direction and then flipping the video, correct? She would walk from right to left with her Left wrist (bracelet) in the foreground. Then they would flip the entire footage to make it look as if she was walking left to right. The bracelet would still appear on foreground, but it would look as if it were on her Right wrist.

Why would they go to all of that bother? Are they trying to hide the bracelet or show us the bracelet? Is this their coy way of messing with our heads to get us stirred up over a bracelet that seems to appear out of nowhere at sunset?  

I cannot help but think that one of the men gave her a bracelet before he departed. And would she accept and then wear a bracelet from a man she said she can't accept his kind of love from? Doubtful. Or would she accept a bracelet from the man she loves but sent home? I think Yes. I think she might just need to hit the pause button, or that F1 may need to hit the pause button, but that a bracelet was given as a token of his love. Jordan is assumed by me to be the one she won't accept love from, and Jordan is the one assumed to be holding a ringbox. So Jordan would not be a man to give her a bracelet, not when he is carrying the ringbox. Robby is the one I assume is F1. We haven't seen any SC of Robby holding a ringbox. Perhaps Robby is emotionally intelligent to know that Jojo needs more time and so do they as a couple, before any ring with any sort of significance is exchanged. That would be refreshing. Just the way Spumoni is supposed to be! To be continued...

Nice catch Mia! Ok, now it makes sense if the video was flipped!! The beaded dress she is wearing walking down the beach, (which I think is the same dress throughout, hair looks same)- it wasn't flowing the way we've seen it in other pics. I believe that is from the 1st FRC and the 2nd is with the smoother dress.

Those dresses are so similar, but enough to see a difference if you take a closer look, wonder if tptb took that into consideration and had the dress altered/made for her before that 2nd FRC?

Another possible scenario with the bracelet, maybe after she let her guys go she puts on the bracelet given to her previously, maybe note guy-her true F1? She obviously has the note with 'bead dress' which I believe is 1st FRC and then AGAIN later with the 2nd FRC dress. Assuming there are 2 FRC.

Lost17 wrote:Nice catch Mia! Ok, now it makes sense if the video was flipped!! The beaded dress she is wearing walking down the beach, (which I think is the same dress throughout, hair looks same)- it wasn't flowing the way we've seen it in other pics. I believe that is from the 1st FRC and the 2nd is with the smoother dress.

Those dresses are so similar, but enough to see a difference if you take a closer look, wonder if tptb took that into consideration and had the dress altered/made for her before that 2nd FRC?

Another possible scenario with the bracelet, maybe after she let her guys go    she puts on the bracelet given to her previously, maybe note guy-her true F1? She obviously has the note with 'bead dress' which I believe is 1st FRC and then AGAIN later with the 2nd FRC dress. Assuming there are 2 FRC.

She may have been given a bracelet by one of the men sometime before the planned FRC - any man - on a HTD, FD, LCD, etc.  I'd like to go with the premise that it was on the LCD. :dancingdoggy:  Some of you may prefer to think otherwise. :Bubba:  She may have shown up to FRC #1 with NO bracelet. Sends both men home. Then they have a FRC #2 in which she shows up wearing the bracelet from the man she summons back. If that is scenario, then the fully gathered waste line is from FRC #2 and smooth back waste line is from FRC #1 (which is the way I thinking because of all of the SCs of her crying on the grassy area with smooth back waste line. Seems like this is the dress she is wearing when she is going through all of the turmoil)*****See ETA BELOW.

What I think happened with the dress: The top portion of the dresses are the SAME, both have beads in front and the slit analysis is nearly impossible due to the wind factor. The only difference we can see for certain is in the waste line. One has gathers only in front, the other has gathers all the way around. I think after FRC #1 the bottom of her dress got ruined from her walking around. When it was necessary to film FRC #2, they salvaged the top portion of her dress and added a new skirt, only this time the gathers at waste line were slightly different.

If that is the case: smooth back FRC#1, gathered dress FRC#2....that means that whoever appears to be in all of the SC that show close ups of the waste line and show it is fully gathered is.....a man with hairy hands, rounded thumbs, non-square thumb nail, a jacket sleeve with a crease down center but no seam 3/4 of the way back (a seam would indicate a more tailored and tighter arm on jacket. Jordan's upper arms are smaller than Robby's upper arms. Robby's shoulders and sleeves are typically looser fitting on his jackets than Jordan's are.).......drum roll please.......Robby is the man at the 2nd FRC!!!

In fact, going on this premise, it may just be that Jordan shows up at 1st FRC and Robby does not since all of the SC that we see are of him with Jojo wearing the fully pleated waste.    But wait....just like we cannot rule out Robby from being with her when she was wearing smooth waste bc of lack of SCs, I guess I have to say that we cannot rule out Jordan from being with her when she was wearing the gathered waste.   Oh, crap on a stick!

ETA: One of the reasons that I think she may have had a 2nd FRC is because she says "I just said goodbye to a man I love" while wearing NO bracelet.

Is this man Jordan? IF she cannot accept Jordan's love, I don't see her accepting a bracelet from him at FRC and putting it on at end of FRC at sunset, or taking a bracelet he previously gave to her and putting it on at end of FRC at sunset. That makes no sense to me.

Is this man Robby? IF she fell in love with Robby but is in so much emotional turmoil that she sends him away (temporarily so she can regroup), and IF Robby gave her a bracelet at the FRC before he leaves, don't you think he would place that token of his love onto her wrist when he gives it to her? Do I think he'd just hand her a box? No. Do I think he'd say something sweet and put the bracelet onto her wrist? Yes. BUT there is NO BRACELET is the clip where she is crying about letting the man she loves go.

This makes me think that the man (whoever it may be :dancingdoggy: , :Bubba: , :anyone?: ) gave her this bracelet at a time before the 1st FRC. She then shows up to the 2nd FRC wearing the altered dress and his token of love bracelet. And THAT is why I am eaning towards the 2nd FRC theory---2 dresses, Bracelet, and those mysetriously greyed out SC backgrounds...dun, dun, dun, dun.

Well, whichever way it plays out, I hope Jojo is happy with her choice and got a man she can finally count on, trust and love...and have her happily ever after.

Well, not sure if there is a 2nd RC, but the thought of it sure is exciting @MiaHawk @Lost17 @Litta123! So thanks for all of your hard work in trying to uncover this. The dress thing has me scratching my head. 

I think it's quite possible she received a special bracelet from one of the guys...hmmm....who does that sound like? After making it snow for her, and bringing out the knocker balls (and a kiss inside that was never aired), and JoJo saying how special he makes her feel, my bet is on Chaser. 

It's gotta be Wells, he bought her a bracelet! He was so devastated by the way things ended, he decides to come back and sweep her off her feet this time!

Lost17 wrote:It's gotta be Wells, he bought her a bracelet! He was so devastated by the way things ended, he decides to come back and sweep her off her feet this time!

That Wells is a gem!