THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - **NO SPOILERS** - SCaps - *SLEUTHING* DISCUSSION

@Katiebelle, thank you so much for filling in the Thailand locations!

I might be completely wrong, but I suspect that this RC is episode 6:


I think that this RC dress could be episode 7: She's going to have to let go of at least two guys that she has come to really care about. For a girl who was always the broken-upee, it's not going to be easy to let go of her guys from F6-F2, I can only imagine.


Is anyone able to make the case for this cap being in Uruguay? If so, poor girl--lotta crying in Uruguay.

Ok - I've found the exact location of the island in Thailand.

It's Koh Hong and it's between Phuket and Krabi and north of Koh Phi Phi. I've actually been there (long time ago though) so am feeling like a bit of a twit. It looks different from the ground but I should have paid closer attention to the cliff face which is unforgettable.



Source: Littas s/c
https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t3504p12-the-bachelorette-season-12-jojo-fletcher-no-spoilers-scaps-media-sleuthing-no-discussion



Source:
http://www.seacanoe.net/kohhong.htm


So do you think this is from a F3 FS date or a F2 date? If one of the guys gets to go here then that will affect my search for Chase's date bc that means his could be anywhere i.e a distance from Hua Hin.

Would they have 2 FDs that are beach related? We see Chase and Jo in the water and on the sandy beach, so would they have another date that would be almost identical? Or would they maybe be on a sailing type date, where they sail past the beautiful island and jump off the boat for swimming, etc. Would the area of the islands be suitable for that type of a sailing date? And if Robby gets the "local market" date and Chase gets the beach date, would they give Jordan ANOTHER sailing on a boat date? That is the kind of date Jordan is getting in Uruguay. So, if that is the Thailand date, it makes me think it is Luke's date.

Thoughts about episode 6:

There are 6 guys at the rose ceremony:

veg_out cap
From left to right: Jordan, JT, Alex, Robby, Chase, Luke

Chase and Luke have roses per the above cap (if someone can make a clearer cap), so Chase gets the 2:1 rose like we suspected and Luke gets the GD rose.

I suspect that she doesn't hand out the last rose b:c she wants to keep all of them. The other crying blue dress is the episode 7 RC when she cuts the last two guys, IMO.

The SCs from last night's preview are now uploaded. I took more caps than posted so, if there is a particular cap you'd like to see variations on, I may have it.

My initial thoughts on the ITM before the FRC is that JoJo is fanning herself with a note. Could it be she gets some last minute intel on her F1-to-be, so she then can't move forward with him? I'm puzzled, but as always these previews leave me with doubt of a HEA...only to be not nearly so dramatic in the actual finale.

Also I think Chase's chances are slim, but another aspect of his obstacle is how can he prove/show JoJo that he really is into her. If he steps up his game (hence dipping her at the RC), maybe, just maybe he can "win with a photo-finish."

We've got ring guy, notice the sun glint to the back right:

Then this hand (but the hair?), same suit, same guy (?):

This is earlier in the afternoon:


She is devastated, takes off her shoes, takes a late afternoon stroll to ponder things:

(Litta's SCs)
(@Thank you, Litta123, for the SCs! You are awesome.)

Litta, thank you for the Scs!

Here is what I'm thinking:

1) If you have any more SC that show the fingers holding the ring box, I'd love to see more. I paused my DVR and thought I could make out a certain shape on the thumb nail. I cannot quite see it on the SCs above.

2) I think it goes down to Jordan vs Robby in the end. I think they are putting way too much time and effort into her relationship with Jordan to not take it to the very end for maximum drama. Where would be the drama if the big villian gets eliminated as F4 or F3? This show isn't about showing us a romance. It is about trying to create viewership via drama and controversy. I'd bet my bottom dollar that Jordan makes it to the final 2 men, more specifically to the F2 slot. And I'm 99.9% that Robby will be F1. (That's just how I roll.)

3) Comparing Jordan's hands to Robby's hands: Jordan's hands are slightly bigger and his fingers are longer and a bit thinner.  (Not as ginormous as Lucky Luke,  but big. On the football date I could see this.) I think Blue Suit's hands are Jordan's.

4) Comparing Jordan's and Robby's suit jackets:  Robby's shoulders are broader than Jordan's, and Robby's upper arms are more muscular.  A good SC to compare this is the one where Robby and Jordan are sitting next to one another on the couch as Chad rages at Jordan. Robby is wearing white t-shirt in photo. Therefore, Robby wears a larger size of suit jacket with a slightly more relaxed sleeve.  Jordan wears jackets that are more tailored and fitted through the arm. You can looks at RC pics to see if you agree with this. I think that Blue Suit guy's jacket looks tailored through the arm. I think it is Jordan's jacket.

5) Papers in Jojo's hands while crying about having to eliminate a man: I think part of Jojo's evolution this season is the continuation of what began in Ben's season. Jojo is no longer going to settle for the Bad Boy who treats her poorly. She deserves better. I think she will have a very difficult time standing up to the Bad Boy because of how hurt she feels by him and because she is a generally kind and non-confrontational person. I think she writes down what she wants to say to Blue Suit. I think it's sort of her script. And when she says she is having a panic attack, the panic is coming from the anxiety of the impending confrontation.  

6) And the last clue, and maybe the biggest one of all...Jojo takes off her shoes and goes barefoot after the Blue Suit leaves. Who, out of all the guys would be most likely to show up to a beach proposal barefoot? Or at least without socks? Right! ROBBY!  

^I do think Jordan is possibly there at the end, but not as an original part of the F2. I think maybe he might interject himself into the finale, kind of like Reid did to Jillian. 
Not sure where this leaves Robby, Chase, or Luke for that matter.
Perhaps she rejects 2 suitors in the early afternoon and awaits her F1 after her stroll on the beach.

AC, interesting chronology of caps. Litta and I had talked a little about light in the FRC caps. I've made a few more caps and arranged them in what might be the order (please feel free to let me know if something should be moved) or put together caps that explain something.

I think that these are early in the day. Notice the sun overhead:






This one looks like after she has let one of them go and is walking back from walking them out. The sun looks like it's starting to tip into her face:


These may all be swapped, i.e., the ITMs might be before the F1/F2





Above caps are veg's

Finally, notice the boats in the background in this mid-day FRC site cap and compare them to the sunset cap: They are still there, making me think that her solo shot happened on the same day.

veg's cap

Litta's SCs

One last thing: JoJo has a paper in her hands here:



Is it a letter, like SeanCat, or her notes for her speeches to each guy?

1) "I fell in love with you"
2) "It's really hard for me not to accept this love"
3) " to a man I love" (there is something said prior to this?)

These are the quotes in SC above.
I can see 1 and 2 being part of an elimination speech.
#1 states she did fall in love with him. Ok, she had some deep feelings for him which she calls love.
#2 I think this means that it was her normal pattern to accept a mediocre type of love or a bad boy's attempt at love. And she typically gives the guy the benefit of the doubt, but she can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt. She will not settle for this level of love. Even though she does have feelings for him, she must be strong and stand up for herself.
#3 confuses me.

Mia, here are a few more shots showing the thumb better...I hope.








my SCs