Episode 11 - 8/1 Finale - Discussion - Spoilers

Gina wrote:Rich, totally agree. I'll take a guy who can knock my socks off with his kisses, kindness and passion over making me laugh all the time. We can go the comedy club to laugh.

BachfanNY wrote:Its funny, rewatching their interaction it seems that JP is more in love with Ashley than she is with him (just a 'lil bit).

That being said, it also seems that the more she matures, the more she falls for him.

interesting how life is. They met eachother at the perfect time.

jlccaz wrote:No idea where to post basic reactions. JP is a grown up, and completely "done" -- he is ready to settle down, with her, right now. She seems serious about giving it a shot. Ashley had some weird expressions (nervous or something) during last night's show and in a few of her interviews, and her reaction to the proposal was sort of anti climactic.

Archer23 wrote:

jlccaz wrote:No idea where to post basic reactions. JP is a grown up, and completely "done" -- he is ready to settle down, with her, right now. She seems serious about giving it a shot. Ashley had some weird expressions (nervous or something) during last night's show and in a few of her interviews, and her reaction to the proposal was sort of anti climactic.

LOL, I didn't think so, but if her reaction seemed anti-climatic, that might be because it wasn't her first reaction. She revealed in one of their interviews today that they had to edit out her first reaction because she fumbled all over her words, and what came out was gibberish. JP thought it was hilarious. I guess she must have been really excited.

ironcat wrote:I think my impression of Chrystie actually improved a bit because I understand her thinking more, although I don't agree with it and still think she is too impressed with herself and how smart she is (when her instincts and judgment aren't all that exceptional to start with). It seems she felt it was her job to protect Ashley from falling victim to the same Bachelor Bubble that caused her to mistakenly think she was in love with Brad last season. Ash also apparently told her family about the Bentley situation, so big sis was convinced that she needed to be the objective and rational one, since little sis' gut couldn't be trusted. Unfortunately, since she doesn't see Ashley as an adult, but as a bubbly carefree kid, the more mature, sedate (and nervous) Ashley she observed with JP was immediately judged as "wrong", whereas her juvenile behavior with Ben was "right". (And of course, she was so convinced she was correct that she never even gave JP a real chance to defend himself.) I don't doubt that Chrystie may have even pulled Ben aside and told him he for sure was "the one" and that Ashley was, in her opinion, in love with him, thus unintentionally putting Ben on the road to overconfidence and ultimate heartbreak. And Chrystie also put enough "doubt" in Ashley's head (combined with the bit of a stand off she had with JP after his MTP and their untimely separation for a few days after), that I think Ash really tried on her LCD with Ben to find any sort of passion with him to compare with JP, which led her to ramp up the kissing a little to no avail, I suspect. However, Ben then took this as further proof that she must now be in love with him. And thus, confidence becomes overconfidence, which clearly led him to "jump the gun" on the proposal, and totally ignore her body language, awkward silence and "sad face" (the same one we analyzed for weeks here!) when he first got to the podium.

I felt that Ben was more shocked than angry when he got turned down. He did wish her luck with JP, obviously it wasn't heartfelt, but at least he tried to be a little gracious. His cluelessness about how JP was the "safer choice" when the reverse was true was I guess just some attempt at rationalization, but I'll give him a break because making the poor guy leave in a dinghy couldn't have made it any less humiliating. And does anyone still think after seeing that producer decision that this wasn't all set up and orchestrated by them for maximum humiliation?

Gina wrote:Rich, totally agree. I'll take a guy who can knock my socks off with his kisses, kindness and passion over making me laugh all the time. We can go the comedy club to laugh.

BachfanNY wrote:Its funny, rewatching their interaction it seems that JP is more in love with Ashley than she is with him (just a 'lil bit).

That being said, it also seems that the more she matures, the more she falls for him.

interesting how life is. They met eachother at the perfect time.

ironcat wrote:Regarding humor and making each other laugh, I think it's more important that a couple can laugh at the same things, regardless of who is making the jokes. And two people who are both constantly competing to be the "funny one" in the relationship can also be a problem.

As someone who constantly tries to see the humor in most things, I totally think it's important that a couple can laugh together, regardless of who is taking the lead, but I don't think it's the sole thing you need to look for in a relationship, the way Chrystie seemed to feel with her line of questioning.

Of course all of this is moot in a way, because we have certainly seen many instances on the show when JP has made Ashley laugh. I'm sure there will be much laughing and humor in their life together.

CarrieAlexander wrote:I love when she is dancing all up on him She is so sassy.

ASH "It was your sweet dance moves, they were like (insert adorable shimming)"
JP "That was you doing all that."