Re: Episode 11 - 8/1 Finale - Discussion - Thread #2

[ironcat]

There is no need to dismiss Ben in any way. JP is F1. Ben is no threat to cupcake so why not just let it go? I love gracious winners. LOL

I think when non JP fans stop diminishing JP and Ashley's love for each other and stop blaming Ashley for being horrible at the FRC, maybe folks could 'let it go'. It's a two way street. And I love gracious losers.

Well said, Gina! This is going on equally on both sides, with some Ben fans trying to blame Ashley for doing what every lead is obligated to do to their F2 since the show's inception- lead him/her on. The fact that she did it doesn't indicate that she was confilicted in any way about her choice. And considering she never told Ben she loved him, harangued him about proposing or intimated she wanted him to, stuck her tongue down his throat, lied to him about what she wanted out of life, or other things that some other leads have done in order to fulfill their contract, I think, with the exception of the apparent brain fart when she couldn't react quickly enough at FRC, she has done an overall great job.

[cfck2222]

Speaking for myself only I feel completely and thoroughly over the drama aspects of this season. I'm debating not tuning in until it's time for JP to come to the FRC.

I don't want to watch Ben F's reaction at the FRC. Watching him get hurt would put a huge damper on my happiness for Ashley and JP. Based on the spoiler report of what happened, I feel gutted about it. It has been an unfortunate pattern this season that Ashley has frozen at critical times when it comes to explaining herself and I think that contributed to the situation at FRC with Ben F. I almost wish she could have written Ben F a letter because I think that might have been able to give him a little bit of comfort or at least understanding. I do not judge Ashley for what happened and I certainly don't think it was intentional on her part. I just wish the F2 rejection (which always sucks) hadn't happened in a way that makes me fear Ben F went through some emotional trauma over it, not just pain. I do not judge Ben F for his reaction either.

I'm most interested in ATFR because I think all parties will finally be freer in what they say, or as free as you can be while still at the mercy of editing and not being able to say "the producers made me do it!" I'm excited to see Ashley and JP excited to be out in the open because in these episodes I could feel them busting at the seams to escape the cameras and producer-imposed drama of the show. I'm hoping to see Ben F's achieved some understanding of and peace over what happened and I'm excited to see him move on in his real life.

[Guest]

There is no need to dismiss Ben in any way. JP is F1. Ben is no threat to cupcake so why not just let it go? I love gracious winners. LOL

I think when non JP fans stop diminishing JP and Ashley's love for each other and stop blaming Ashley for being horrible at the FRC, maybe folks could 'let it go'. It's a two way street. And I love gracious losers.

I see why JP and ashley are a good match. I will be open to what i see tonight at the FRC, but I will always believe the lead has more power in that situation than some are willing to concede. Guess that makes me ungracious...?

[Guest]

Speaking for myself only I feel completely and thoroughly over the drama aspects of this season. I'm debating not tuning in until it's time for JP to come to the FRC.

I don't want to watch Ben F's reaction at the FRC. Watching him get hurt would put a huge damper on my happiness for Ashley and JP. Based on the spoiler report of what happened, I feel gutted about it. It has been an unfortunate pattern this season that Ashley has frozen at critical times when it comes to explaining herself and I think that contributed to the situation at FRC with Ben F. I almost wish she could have written Ben F a letter because I think that might have been able to give him a little bit of comfort or at least understanding. I do not judge Ashley for what happened and I certainly don't think it was intentional on her part. I just wish the F2 rejection (which always sucks) hadn't happened in a way that makes me fear Ben F went through some emotional trauma over it, not just pain. I do not judge Ben F for his reaction either.

I'm most interested in ATFR because I think all parties will finally be freer in what they say, or as free as you can be while still at the mercy of editing and not being able to say "the producers made me do it!" I'm excited to see Ashley and JP excited to be out in the open because in these episodes I could feel them busting at the seams to escape the cameras and producer-imposed drama of the show. I'm hoping to see Ben F's achieved some understanding of and peace over what happened and I'm excited to see him move on in his real life.

Great post!

[BachfanNY]

Speaking for myself only I feel completely and thoroughly over the drama aspects of this season. I'm debating not tuning in until it's time for JP to come to the FRC.

I don't want to watch Ben F's reaction at the FRC. Watching him get hurt would put a huge damper on my happiness for Ashley and JP. Based on the spoiler report of what happened, I feel gutted about it. It has been an unfortunate pattern this season that Ashley has frozen at critical times when it comes to explaining herself and I think that contributed to the situation at FRC with Ben F. I almost wish she could have written Ben F a letter because I think that might have been able to give him a little bit of comfort or at least understanding. I do not judge Ashley for what happened and I certainly don't think it was intentional on her part. I just wish the F2 rejection (which always sucks) hadn't happened in a way that makes me fear Ben F went through some emotional trauma over it, not just pain. I do not judge Ben F for his reaction either.

I'm most interested in ATFR because I think all parties will finally be freer in what they say, or as free as you can be while still at the mercy of editing and not being able to say "the producers made me do it!" I'm excited to see Ashley and JP excited to be out in the open because in these episodes I could feel them busting at the seams to escape the cameras and producer-imposed drama of the show. I'm hoping to see Ben F's achieved some understanding of and peace over what happened and I'm excited to see him move on in his real life.

Well said. That's what I'm looking forward to as well.

Seeing how Ben has been able to grow and move on from this will be refreshing. He might be a changed man now- not taking anything for granted.
They were all clearly manipulated in some form or another so discussing how things happened is a moot point to me.

Can't wait to see Ashley get engaged!

[Diana]

[Admin]

Look how cute!!!

[mnmhughes]

Trying to figure out the order of tonight's show. Does this sound right?

JP MTP
Ben MTP
Ben LCD
JP LCD
Neil Lane segment
Ashley Deliberation (a.k.a. roaming the resort grounds while staring wistfully off in the distance)
Guys getting ready
Ash getting ready
Ben FRC
JP FRC
Twirl!

[Admin]

Trying to figure out the order of tonight's show. Does this sound right?

JP MTP
Ben MTP
Ben LCD
JP LCD
Neil Lane segment
Ashley Deliberation (a.k.a. roaming the resort grounds while staring wistfully off in the distance)
Guys getting ready
Ash getting ready
Ben FRC
JP FRC
Twirl!

Sounds about right...But you should add the last thing......They walk off the podium and into the water…..They kiss passionately knee deep in the ocean; walk through the water holding hands...

[Guest]

Trying to figure out the order of tonight's show. Does this sound right?

JP MTP
Ben MTP
Ben LCD
JP LCD
Neil Lane segment
Ashley Deliberation (a.k.a. roaming the resort grounds while staring wistfully off in the distance)
Guys getting ready
Ash getting ready
Ben FRC
Ben turns green, grows massive muscles, ripping through his suit, hurls the rock/rose platform into the sea and tears up the FRC platform.
JP FRC
Twirl!

There... that seems more accurate now...

[bluwavz]

Trying to figure out the order of tonight's show. Does this sound right?

JP MTP
Ben MTP
Ben LCD
JP LCD
Neil Lane segment
Ashley Deliberation (a.k.a. roaming the resort grounds while staring wistfully off in the distance)
Guys getting ready
Ash getting ready
Ben FRC
Ben turns green, grows massive muscles, ripping through his suit, hurls the rock/rose platform into the sea and tears up the FRC platform.
JP FRC
Twirl!

There... that seems more accurate now...

[LibbyBell]

Trying to figure out the order of tonight's show. Does this sound right?

JP MTP
Ben MTP
Ben LCD
JP LCD
Neil Lane segment
Ashley Deliberation (a.k.a. roaming the resort grounds while staring wistfully off in the distance)
Guys getting ready
Ash getting ready
Ben FRC
JP FRC
Twirl!

I think that's it mnm!! I can't wait for the twirl, either!!

ETA-- funny richlp!!

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