Becca Tilly - Bachelor 20 - #3 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I dunno about hypocrisy. The same was said about the last returnee Nick (different stuff but still justified by myself since I like him and didn't see hypocrisy) so I think it is just personal perspective as usual.

And anyway, hypocrisy can be seen and attributed to any one of these contestants, including Ben H who spun his wheels. So maybe Becca is spinning her wheels now. Same thing different season. One season Ben H can be "fake" about Kaitlyn and then get to be real supposedly as lead so who is to say why Becca can't do the same?

But besides all that... and my personal opinion on Becca aside (I like some things about her and dislike some things about her)...

Based on SM reaction alone to Becca being on Ben's season, all I know is she already is going into this show sitting in place that I could have only dreamed about SM talking so positively about Nick as returnee.  

It's why I just laugh about any "backlash" talk... because the opposite is currently happening in regards to Becca.

Perception is everything and currently Becca's public perception from what I have sleuthed on all SM formats in comparison to Nick is so positive that any talk of hypocrisy or if this show is right or wrong or if she is deserving or real or fake, etc, doesn't seem to me that it will matter at all to the masses that watch and already so many saying how much they LOVE her.

Any general negative sentiment about Becca is not reflected currently in media or SM. And that is what I am paying attention to for now. Because more than not those on SM are saying positive things about her being on the show. It's totally different from last returnee from that viewpoint so I will be interested to see her edit.

AllAboutLove wrote:I dunno about hypocrisy. The same was said about the last returnee Nick (different stuff but still justified by myself since I like him and didn't see hypocrisy) so I think it is just personal perspective as usual.

And anyway, hypocrisy can be seen and attributed to any one of these contestants, including Ben H who spun his wheels. So maybe Becca is spinning her wheels now. Same thing different season. One season Ben H can be "fake" about Kaitlyn and then get to be real supposedly as lead so who is to say why Becca can't do the same?

But besides all that... and my personal opinion on Becca aside (I like some things about her and dislike some things about her)...

Based on SM reaction alone to Becca being on Ben's season, all I know is she already is going into this show sitting in place that I could have only dreamed about SM talking so positively about Nick as returnee.    

It's why I just laugh about any "backlash" talk... because the opposite is currently happening in regards to Becca.

Perception is everything and currently Becca's public perception from what I have sleuthed on all SM formats in comparison to Nick is so positive that any talk of hypocrisy or if this show is right or wrong or if she is deserving or real or fake, etc, doesn't seem to me that it will matter at all to the masses that watch and already so many saying how much they LOVE her.

Any general negative sentiment about Becca is not reflected currently in media or SM. And that is what I am paying attention to for now. Because more than not those on SM are saying positive things about her being on the show. It's totally different from last returnee from that viewpoint so I will be interested to see her edit.  

This has nothing to do with Nick and how he was perceived. He went in with a negative edit and was one of the rare ones who came out of his second appearance more sympathetically than when he went in. Becca is the opposite and has nowhere to go but down. People say one thing before the show and then things change once the show airs. The producers and editors are experts with manipulating public opinion and my money is on that they will do her no favours. I think we will get an idea of how things will go once we see the extended season preview...and if we start hearing complaints/justifications from Becca, her family members and friends.

I am merely comparing two F2s who did back-to-back consecutive seasons as contestants. They are the only two who have done this in the history of the show and thus the comparison.

Becca, imo, how she goes into this is one thing. But that she got to go in on the first night and with another (not as well liked/popular) contestant and then stayed to F5 and not had to drag her family through HTDs or go through a FD doesn't say much negative to me thus far. There's no sex-pre-FS here or anything else either.

So yes, while the edit is unknown, the speculation on what is known (night one, one of two returnees, more liked returnee of the two, SD, and not put through TPTB paces as the last F2 returnee) is interesting to me because what happens if she gets a good edit?

Bad edit, down hill, etc, is a given usually - so not much to discuss on it. So I am just speculating since this is all unknown as of yet and not focused on whether I personally like her or not or ruling her out just because she is a returnee but more interested to see what TPTB narrative will be about her and how general viewers (not sleuthers) will respond. Because I can personally find her boring or dislike her but that means nothing if the TPTB and the majority of viewers think otherwise.

*** This is Becca's thread and it's perfectly okay for people to criticize her for her actions on the show and post show. It doesn't matter what they thought about Nick in the same situation. They are not connected and there are some members who like both, neither, or just one and that's fine.

IWouldMarryAshleyI wrote:

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Yeah that is exactly the problem. She doesn't know how to initiate or maintain anything. I think for Chris S she was a dream come true. She looks like a female, pretty version of him. He might have thought she was his soul mate. Plus she's a virgin. That would make her a genuine prize. But what is the problem? Naturally it is really because she has some kind of psychological mindblock. It isnt even about the choice to maintain her virginity, so much as it is a fear of intimacy.

I actually totally agree with the bolded and wonder if she realizes that, to play armchair psychologist to a stranger .  I hope she figures out how to open herself up to having a real adult relationship (having nothing to do with sex, but with actual intimacy and commitment and the ability to take the leap of believing she's in love with someone even if that scares her).

stuckinsc wrote:Personally, why I liked Becca last season is why I am so disappointed she is back. I respected her for not faking it. I respected that she was honest about her feelings and didn't just give in.

But she knows she is a take it slow in relationships person. She knows that she isn't going to get to I want to marry you in the time frame of 4 days spent together. So I just don't buy that she thinks it can happen with Ben. Chris wanted her, really wanted her, but was going to get engaged. Ben met her, if that OMG love at first site thing that hit Kaitlyn and Shawn was going to hit them it would have and it didn't. She knew that. I do believe Ben probably told Kaitlyn or Shawn to tell her not to come on. I also think Becca found Ben hot enough to date, but I also think Becca has enjoyed Bachelor World. I think she was probably jealous of some of the attention that Kaitlyn and the BiP girls got. Becca's SM and endorsements show that unlike Whitney, who returned to real life, Becca doesn't just want to go back to the chiropractor's office.

I don't care if she wants more attention, I just don't see how she can be that girl I actually respected last time and come out with anymore attention this time, especially from a lead who I am sensing was forced to keep her as long as he did. She isn't going to be the pretty, reserved girl that the lead pines away for this time. She is going to have to abandon that integrity if more attention is what she wants. I hate to see it. But it fits with party hardy Kaitlyn and Becca who seems to make it to any event she can. I just don't buy her as looking for love. More like looking for a camera and a good time. JMO.

And this put my thoughts into words perfectly!  I'm disappointed she's back because I liked and respected her attitude to the show so much the first time.  Now with her post show life and this returning thing it kind of takes away the "Becca character" I really enjoyed last season. And I'm nervous she's going to try to come across differently to the viewers this time in hopes of becoming the lead.

I agree relaxing - and I think her last stint ended prefectly for her. She became the poster girl for normal, 'can't fall in love after 5 dates.' People could relate to her and it was refreshing IMO. She left on a classy note. But to me she's gone downhill ever since with her Bachelor nation obsession and.her need to be 'in.'

This whole discussion kind of confuses me to be honest. You'd think this season had been the repeat of last season for her, even though it clearly wasn't and we haven't even seen her with Ben yet, aside from that kiss in the preview. How can you say she's too slow for this show and wasting Ben's time, when you haven't even seen how she is around him yet? She seemed pretty upset after being sent home, not to mention the tweets during filming, which might be producer-driven, but who knows.

First of all, people aren't interchangeable. No offense to Whitney, but I find it more strange to fall for Chris than to not fall for him. Most people expect their partner to be able to at least string a sentence together, especially if they're supposed to be living with them on some remote farm in the middle of nowhere.

Second of all, the cards were stacked against her last season. She didn't get a single date until episode 6, a month before the FRC. You have to be kind of delusional to develop strong feelings for a guy you've only had 10 minute talks with every now and then while watching your friends go on great dates and fall for the guy. I'd imagine Chris's strong feelings kind came out of nowhere for her and that is pretty scary. Anyone would feel pressured.

Third of all, she was really close to Whit and watched her fall head over heels for Chris. I remember when Whit was telling her about the mural date, she said she got chills listening to it. How can you go and fall in love with the same guy after that? I know I couldn't, maybe I'm just not competitive enough, but if my friend really wants something/someone, I'd rather they have it than me. Even if it's something I want too, if I'm not desperate for it, I'd rather see my friend happy. I can't imagine trying to force myself to want it just as much. That is not normal IMO. I understood Becca and how she acted when Chris sent her packing perfectly.

Yes, it is rare that a person hasn't been in love by 26, but it doesn't mean there's something wrong with them. Of course it could, but it could also mean they just haven't met the right person. It's a good trait not to fall for just anyone, IMO.

^^ Well said and I've been confused by the discussion here too.

There is no where for her to go but down unfortunately. She had a great edit last season but I don't understand the point of coming back when she said the process did not give her enough time to really fall in love, what would be different this time?

Personally, I don't care about wasting Ben's time, etc. For me coming back takes away from the refreshing honesty I found in her last season. JMO.

How has she been dishonest this season? It hasn't aired yet.

She said she didn't know if the process was for her, not that she would never ever go on this show again and now has lied about that. So I don't know where the "dishonesty" is coming from?

I don't think she will be wasting Ben's time - if he had fallen for her, I think Becca would have happily gotten engaged to him. I think Ben's her dream guy, whereas Chris was just a crush. I just think it looks desperate to come back as a returnee, when she had already been in contact with Ben and he hadn't  asked for her to come on the show. I never saw that desperation last year, which is why her return is so disappointing. JMO.