The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Social Media - Vids - Media - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

AllAboutLove wrote:Ben's a He looks adorable and seems to be a gentleman so I hope his season is great!  

sc from promo

This is a much better picture of Ben. This is good.

I think Ben looks great in the promo.  Tall, dark and handsome.

bluwavz wrote:

california90 wrote:

bluwavz wrote:I think Caila's attractive and a very cute and adorable girl but I agree with Realme in that I don't find her to be some stunning beauty either and that's okay to me. I prefer the Jillians and Ashleys anyway for our female leads. I didn't like Emily or DeAnna or even Britt at one point and they would probably be considered the more physically attractive leads.

And I'm going to be the shallow one here, but if the B'ette show didn't have hot guys with nice bodies, I probably wouldn't bother watching that version of the show at all . Of course personality is the most important thing, but physical attraction is important too. On the other hand, an average looking person can seem so much more attractive to me if they have an incredible personality.

Not disagreeing with you (because I agree with you), but its funny how we are so quick to judge women's physical appearances for television and say we like the "real girls", but we'll go as shallow for the men and want to watch hot guys with nice bods (and "real men" are never really considered).

I think it's because most viewers are women and I bet most of us prefer to watch women we can relate to and have the same insecurities we do. How many female viewers can relate to a drop dead gorgeous model who has men dropping at her feet? That's why I think we'll never see that type of woman in the lead role. I think it's nice to see for once the "real girl" have a bunch of attractive guys pursuing her even if it's just for TV. We see it all the time with sitcoms where the TV wife is very attractive but her TV husband is average looking at best even though that isn't realistic in real life. We rarely see it the other way around if at all. This is why I liked Ali's season so much. She was a cute girl next door and she picked Roberto who was considered by many to be the hottest guy on her season even though she was insecure he was too hot for her. So yeah, I'm shallow when it comes to the guys and perfectly okay with it for that reason.

No, I totally agree. We hold the girls to much higher standards IMO, thus why we are harsher on their appearances than we are with the men. We want to relate to them and if we don't relate, we'll tear them apart more easily because we don't have anything to relate to so we settle on critiquing appearances. But I'm pretty shallow when it comes to this show too . I'd love to see another Ali/Roberto too. Maybe an ugly duckling storyline.. with the hottest guy stereotypical athletic frat bro become all soft because he's falling in love... because lets be real, we all haven't thought about that before in our lives? I can see the hashtag now, #givesmehope haha.

Jake/Vienna were pretty much the stereotypical hot guy/ugly duckling, weren't they? I loved Roberto/Ali, although I don't think Ali was that insecure he was too hot for her. I think that was just a made-up storyline. It always seemed like Roberto was more into her than she was into him, actually.

I do think that no matter who the Bachelorette has been, whether she's drop-dead gorgeous like Britt or Emily, or very girl-next-door like Des or Ali, there have always only been 2-4 guys in the cast that are actually into the lead. Whereas the guy always has a lot of girls really fall for him, even if he's not that great of catch. Just something I've noticed over the years.

nothatgirl wrote:Jake/Vienna were pretty much the stereotypical hot guy/ugly duckling, weren't they? I loved Roberto/Ali, although I don't think Ali was that insecure he was too hot for her. I think that was just a made-up storyline. It always seemed like Roberto was more into her than she was into him, actually.

I do think that no matter who the Bachelorette has been, whether she's drop-dead gorgeous like Britt or Emily, or very girl-next-door like Des or Ali, there have always only been 2-4 guys in the cast that are actually into the lead. Whereas the guy always has a lot of girls really fall for him, even if he's not that great of catch. Just something I've noticed over the years.

I didn't watch his season, were they? Wasn't Vienna the villain though? Was she really insecure? Idk what their storyline was. I think Ashley is close to that storyline, where she thought she wasn't as pretty as Emily or worried that the guys were there for Emily and not her.

I've noticed that too- but I think all the girls really fall for the guys is because they actually believe they'll be the F1/get engaged/married. I feel like the guys aren't expecting as much. And producers and can trick/manipulate girls more so they'll act like they love the lead in the bubble.

california90 wrote:

nothatgirl wrote:Jake/Vienna were pretty much the stereotypical hot guy/ugly duckling, weren't they? I loved Roberto/Ali, although I don't think Ali was that insecure he was too hot for her. I think that was just a made-up storyline. It always seemed like Roberto was more into her than she was into him, actually.

I do think that no matter who the Bachelorette has been, whether she's drop-dead gorgeous like Britt or Emily, or very girl-next-door like Des or Ali, there have always only been 2-4 guys in the cast that are actually into the lead. Whereas the guy always has a lot of girls really fall for him, even if he's not that great of catch. Just something I've noticed over the years.

I didn't watch his season, were they? Wasn't Vienna the villain though? Was she really insecure? Idk what their storyline was. I think Ashley is close to that storyline, where she thought she wasn't as pretty as Emily or worried that the guys were there for Emily and not her.

I've noticed that too- but I think all the girls really fall for the guys is because they actually believe they'll be the F1/get engaged/married. I feel like the guys aren't expecting as much. And producers and can trick/manipulate girls more so they'll act like they love the lead in the bubble.

Ya Vienna was the villain and she wasn't even a bit insecure despite being the least attractive girl that season. Hey good for her, I'll give her kudos for that, but she just wasn't likable at all. Too aggressive and competitive and the whole feud between her and Ali was a turn-off for me. Definitely not the cutesy Jillian or Ashley type you can get behind and root for. And while Jake may have had a conventionally attractive appearance, he was a complete dork and had zero sex appeal and wasn't really someone most women would be lusting after. This is why I brought up Ali/Roberto as an example. Roberto fit the unattainable hot guy role better than Jake did and Ali fit the insecure, normal girl role better than Vienna did. Even if that was all scripted and she really wasn't that insecure Roberto was too hot for, I still liked seeing that storyline play out on TV for once because it seems like we always see it the other way around with the nerd getting the hot girl. Boring!

I do agree with nothatgirl that I also thought Roberto was more into Ali than she was into him, which hey awesome, can that be my problem in real life?  

california90 wrote:
No, I totally agree. We hold the girls to much higher standards IMO, thus why we are harsher on their appearances than we are with the men. We want to relate to them and if we don't relate, we'll tear them apart more easily because we don't have anything to relate to so we settle on critiquing appearances. But I'm pretty shallow when it comes to this show too . I'd love to see another Ali/Roberto too. Maybe an ugly duckling storyline.. with the hottest guy stereotypical athletic frat bro become all soft because he's falling in love... because lets be real, we all haven't thought about that before in our lives? I can see the hashtag now, #givesmehope haha.

Haha, I love that hashtag. I always like to think I have a chance with some of these hotties on the show. #dreamon

That's why I always like Ash's and Des' season, because they are just like the girl friend you have and you always want to root for her to find love. And I also see the growing up of them in the process, both learned to keep an open mind and accepted that the Mr. Right type may not be what they always think/dream of.

And I think these two are always grounded, they never thought of being a D-list Celeb after the show, so I hope we will have another B'ette like these two. I really really can't stand a season of Andi 3.0 (because Kaitlyn sort of like an Andi 2.0), no matter how many hot guys are being casted.

Yeah, I didn't watch Jake's season either but I had heard that Vienna was a villain. I just meant strictly superficially speaking, the unattractive girl got the hot guy. Definitely agree that that's not the type of "love story" I want to see. It sucks because it seems like girls like Ashley, who never seemed to have any ulterior motives for doing the show, are just not the type of girls they are casting anymore. It seems like everyone they cast has modeling experience or reality TV connections or something they are promoting. There aren't any true girl-next-door-types anymore.

OT, but I LOVED Roberto. I loved that he moved for Ali, as its so rare for guys to make that sacrifice in this franchise (also love Marcus for doing that). He was a true gentleman.

Unfortunately to many of us who watched that season, it was Vienna's personality that made her unattractive even more than her looks. Jake's personality also make him less attractive so it's hard to think of him as "hot", notthatgirl, but I get your point. :Nod:

I think there are still women on the show who are more down to earth and not aspiring to be actresses or models. Whitney was one of those IMO. I don't begrudge anyone trying to help their career along however like Des and Jillian.

omg I would never ever compare Jake with Roberto! Yikes! It was painful for me to watch Jake's season. All I could think of was The Joker every time he smiled. Sorry Jake fans, he was not my idea of a hot guy in the least.

I admit, I look for the love story, regardless of what they look like. Somehow they become "ugly" and not in the looks sense, when it's all an act, ala CS or even JakeP for that matter.

Roberto.         Jake. :shootme:

mindless wrote:

bostonugirl92 wrote:

mindless wrote:Caila annoys me already. Maybe I'm just getting too old to watch these perky young girls.

Then you're in for a long season mindless. I've seen this girl in action and IMO she sure knows how to work a room.

That's the vibe I get from her, that she knows how to wrap guys around her little finger. It's just fake to me. I saw a similar fakeness in Andi (though her fake persona was different) and she's done nothing since then except reinforce that first impression, so I'm not holding my breath when it comes to Caila. She's finessed that adorable princess loved by anyone routine by now, I'm sure. Oh well.
 

I get the same vibe, @mindless :Nod: That Caila was voted "Biggest Flirt" is not exactly a great thing to be seen as, IMHO. Makes me think she is someone who pulls the wool over peoples eyes (like someone else, name starting with K), is used to winning and getting her way and "works that room" like someone who is all about herself and getting attention.

Plus, from that promo of her with Ben picking her up I almost expect that she told him to do so and won't be surprised if that is the case (making it about herself form the moment she gets out the limo). To me, Caila seems like someone who wants to just "win" and is in it to win it and comes across a bit fake fake, annoying, and bossy. Maybe she is different but... meh. Same with JoJo from her RFL stint. Will see... but just like you said, I am not holding my breath.