Becca Tilly - Bachelor 20 - #2 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

eversotrue wrote:I think Ben kissed at least 10 girls in the first four episodes based on spoilers and "common sense" on how the show usually works. Lace, Mandi (the first two apparently technically kissed him), Olivia, Lauren B, JoJo, Caila, Amanda, Becca, Jubilee, Amber. Wow. That's a lot. Lol

Wow... that is a lot!! Bit of a bummer since if so then it is unlikely I will find him to be a 'great' lead... while I have low expectations for leads in general I do have higher criteria for what I consider a great lead and overly kissing especially in a short amount of time is not part of that.

I guess it's cute that Ben initiates the kiss and i'm sure beeca was over the moon but they didn't end up together so.. I'd love to know how Becca feels about him now since he was her dream guy pretty much.

BlackHalo wrote:I guess it's cute that Ben initiates the kiss and i'm sure beeca was over the moon but they didn't end up together so.. I'd love to know how Becca feels about him now since he was her dream guy pretty much.

I get the sense that she isn't bitter or view him in a negative light. FWIW, she is still following him on Twitter and IG.

AllAboutLove wrote:

eversotrue wrote:I think Ben kissed at least 10 girls in the first four episodes based on spoilers and "common sense" on how the show usually works. Lace, Mandi (the first two apparently technically kissed him), Olivia, Lauren B, JoJo, Caila, Amanda, Becca, Jubilee, Amber. Wow. That's a lot. Lol

Wow... that is a lot!! Bit of a bummer since if so then it is unlikely I will find him to be a 'great' lead... while I have low expectations for leads in general I do have higher criteria for what I consider a great lead and overly kissing especially in a short amount of time is not part of that.

Well I'm just assuming that he kissed all those girls based on spoilers. JoJo, Olivia, Becca, Jubilee, Caila, Lauren B all get 1 on 1's or/and group date roses in the first 4 episodes, and don't the leads usually always kiss their 1 on 1's? Amber gets a group date rose in episode 3. Do the leads usually kiss their group date rose girls? I'm just assuming he kissed Amanda because she made final 4, but she didn't get a group date rose or 1 on 1 in the first 4 episodes. And apparently Mandi and Lace kiss him the first night, sooo that's more on them than on him. 

I don't care too much about the kissing honestly. It IS an important aspect in a relationship. But I think the leads should only kiss the girls they have a genuine actual interest in, and could see something with. I actually think kissing your 1 on 1 is probably mandatory. Lol I don't know that they'd even show him kissing ALL those girls (if he even did) though, because that just seems like too much. They can only focus on so much an episode..

I am sure she is just fine now and probably happy for Ben and Lauren. It is all a gamble no matter what (even for the F1 who may not end up lasting anyway).

DebutAlbum wrote:

BlackHalo wrote:I guess it's cute that Ben initiates the kiss and i'm sure beeca was over the moon but they didn't end up together so.. I'd love to know how Becca feels about him now since he was her dream guy pretty much.

I get the sense that she isn't bitter or view him in a negative light. FWIW, she is still following him on Twitter and IG.

I wasn't thinking she'd be bitter. Just in terms of her compatibility and chemistry with him since she got to date him.

eversotrue wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:

eversotrue wrote:I think Ben kissed at least 10 girls in the first four episodes based on spoilers and "common sense" on how the show usually works. Lace, Mandi (the first two apparently technically kissed him), Olivia, Lauren B, JoJo, Caila, Amanda, Becca, Jubilee, Amber. Wow. That's a lot. Lol

Wow... that is a lot!! Bit of a bummer since if so then it is unlikely I will find him to be a 'great' lead... while I have low expectations for leads in general I do have higher criteria for what I consider a great lead and overly kissing especially in a short amount of time is not part of that.

Well I'm just assuming that he kissed all those girls based on spoilers. JoJo, Olivia, Becca, Jubilee, Caila, Lauren B all get 1 on 1's or/and group date roses in the first 4 episodes, and don't the leads usually always kiss their 1 on 1's? Amber gets a group date rose in episode 3. Do the leads usually kiss their group date rose girls? I'm just assuming he kissed Amanda because she made final 4, but she didn't get a group date rose or 1 on 1 in the first 4 episodes. And apparently Mandi and Lace kiss him the first night, sooo that's more on them than on him. 

I don't care too much about the kissing honestly. It IS an important aspect in a relationship. But I think the leads should only kiss the girls they have a genuine actual interest in, and could see something with. I actually think kissing your 1 on 1 is probably mandatory. Lol I don't know that they'd even show him kissing ALL those girls (if he even did) though, because that just seems like too much. They can only focus on so much an episode..

For me, as posted in my post above, I don't have high expectations at all for leads but I DO have high expectations for what I consider a GREAT lead (meaning, someone who is of very high morals, very respectful and considerate, etc.) My idea of a GREAT lead is Art Green Bachelor NZ (his season is available to watch on this forum) and he only kissed 4 girls total and his first kiss was on episode 5 and he asked the girls if he could kiss them. So there's a BIG difference to me between a lead and a great lead. And I wouldn't even know that this difference was possible if I hadn't watched Art's season and again, it is just my personal view on what I consider great, especially since this show seems to be an excuse for all kinds of not-so-great behavior which is fine for leads but doesn't qualify them as great, imo.

Anyway, back to Becca, it seems like Ben was interested in her enough to kiss her early on since it doesn't look like during a date to me, it looks like it was at the mansion, cocktail party. And so far it is the only kiss shown of him kissing Becca in the preview clip.

AllAboutLove wrote:

DebutAlbum wrote:But I thought Ben "told her not to come"...

His kissing says otherwise.
That TPTB have already shown this kiss in a pre-season clip is interesting...

:Nod: Ben kissing 10 girls within the first few episodes means he's knows he was hired to produce a reality tv dating show. It's round two for Becca. She knows what her job is as well. At that point, she knew more about what it takes to sell viewers on the show than Ben as she made it to F2. It wasn't the first night based on clothing, as @umngirl pointed out.

It makes sense for TPTB to show the returnee kissing the lead especially when it's not a secret that Becca wanted back on the show. :Nod: Who knows if Ben told Becca not to come. He definitely told her to go home - before HTD.

GuardianAngel wrote:

nothatgirl wrote:I think I was just a huge fan of hers that her r*pe joke and her making fun of Kelsey in that snap with Ashley disappointed me more than it should have, but I do think it's pretty telling that she was so well-liked by everyone, despite being a returnee.

I think that's just her part in trying to be "in the popular crowd" or maybe the booze. IDK but it was out of character for her from what we have seen and know about her prior to those snaps.

I really liked Becca on Chris's season and her SM during the season was mostly positive, but she and Kaitlyn became a toxic combination over the summer. I don't hate her, but I lost respect for her and don't believe for one second that she went on this season just for the love of Ben.

Becca should be held accountable for her own actions -- if she allows herself  to be influenced by others, good or bad, she is solely responsible and not the other person. JMO.

^ This is true, we are all accountable for our own actions but I believe based on what I've seen from her that this was not typical of her character.

I'm far from perfect and definitely do or say the "wrong things" now and then, the difference is I'm rarely recorded (and I like it that way) so the ratio of "getting caught" doing wrong vs right, is relative based on the amount of exposure. A lot of these young D-list celebs are on SM fairly often or at other public events and then there's being on the show itself, if she's only caught saying or doing "bad" things a couple of times this to me is not indicative of who she is imo.

rhondam wrote:^ This is true, we are all accountable for our own actions but I believe based on what I've seen from her that this was not typical of her character.

I'm far from perfect and definitely do or say the "wrong things" now and then, the difference is I'm rarely recorded (and I like it that way) so the ratio of doing wrong vs right, is relative based on the amount of exposure. A lot of these young D-list celebs are on SM fairly often or at other public events and then there's being on the show itself, if she's only caught saying or doing "bad" things a couple of times this to me is not indicative of who she is imo.

By no means is Becca (or anyone else, for that matter) perfect, but it's definitely not typical of her character. I believe that Kaitlyn isn't a very good influence on her. She doesn't have any close friends who are similar (unprecedented levels of immaturity, hypocritical, etc.) to Kaitlyn.