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Post by loveactually9 Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:29 pm

Well by that logic, Ben would be kinder to "spare" the mom of 2 young children. I don't agree with that logic because I don't think that Ben needs to "spare" anyone, whether it's a single mom or a returnee who should've known fully well what she was getting herself into much more so than the new girls.

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:29 pm

I guess it depends on your goals. I have to imagine that most contestants want to make it as far as possible in this "game", not even because of the lead, but because it ensures them more press, more exposure, more attention, more opportunities, etc. For the most part, people only remember the F4 and the villains and everyone wants to be remembered. JMO.

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Post by AllAboutLove Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:33 pm

BlackHalo wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:
BlackHalo wrote:Perhaps they gave the family a slap on the wrist for spoiling things but I tend to think if they wanted her there, she would be there. Maybe Ben went against TPTB by not giving her a rose. I am interested to see her reaction since she is mostly stoic.

If TPTB wanted to slap the family or Becca on the wrist they would have dragged her to F2 and not let her go F5.  :Nod:
Becca leaving before being put through the same rigmarole as last year is the opposite of a slap on the wrist, imo.
If anything, Becca got the lucky break, imo.


When I say "slap on the wrist" I mean production contacted the family and politely told them to shut up. If being around to F4, F3, F2 was in their storyboard for Becca I don't think this would have stopped that. JMO.

Sure she got a lucky break but was that thanks to Ben or TPTB? We'll never know.

Calling Becca's family to hushup? I don't think so. That's no slap on the wrist, IMO, especially when Becca had been active on her SM already during filming.

Becca is a returnee and not a typical contestant so I think her storyboard is different from the usual. And I think that Becca's storyboard will show itself in the edit. I already have an idea of what it is going to be, and IMO, it if goes the way I think, then it makes total sense to me that TPTB would nix her having a HTD. It's more a positive approach, IMO, for her not to have her family shown again because she is a returnee. It's doing the opposite of the other returnee that went far (Nick).

So to me Becca having a HTD I always saw as a very negative thing for her edit if she wasn't F1. And IMHO, I think TPTB likely discussed this at the last minute and likely decided not do the same thing over again... which to me, is a very positive thing for a returnee who gets to F5.



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Post by rhondam Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:33 pm

Kashathediva wrote:
rhondam wrote:I believe TPTB originally storyboarded that Ben take Becca to the final 4 and that is why her parents received the call that there would for sure be a HTD. Her family wouldn't be spilling to RS that they were if they were only possibly coming—they've done this before. Ben knew who his F1 would be so went along with the storyboard on this because it didn't matter either way to him. As a result of RS leaking that Becca was getting a HTD and this board being notified of same before the RC, TPTB had no choice but to tell Ben to send her home or else let the media declare to the world that the show is a farce and all planned ahead. Jmo.

This is my personal take on it FWIW:
I was in contact for quite some time with someone from the Becca camp. The source was vetted in detail by myself. So I believe it was more than reliable. I am not going to go into further detail take it for what it's worth once again.
Becca and certain family were in contact during times of filming.
When things were fairly certain for HTDs, family was contacted and details and arrangements made for HTD. Family believed it was a certainty. They have been through the process in the past and believed this was more sure than the time before.
My source contacted me and gave me green light to share with this forum.
Then within hours of my posting here, RS posted on his site. (I believe it was 90 minutes)
NO ONE spilled from Becca's camp to RS. This I believe and pretty much know.
Within hours of the SM/RS reveal, HTD was yanked and Becca denied rose.
So make of it as you will.
There are various options to go with.
PS Sorry Kash for stating Becca's family spilled to RS, I thought they told both here and him. I can see know how RS just came here and ran with your credible info.
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Post by bluwavz Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:37 pm

nothatgirl wrote:I guess it depends on your goals. I have to imagine that most contestants want to make it as far as possible in this "game", not even because of the lead, but because it ensures them more press, more exposure, more attention, more opportunities, etc. For the most part, people only remember the F4 and the villains and everyone wants to be remembered. JMO.

Haha, exactly. There's also the traveling. If I was eliminated at the F5-F6, I would've been livid if I missed out on where they went for the FD's. Forget the lead, I just want more vacation time. laugh out loud
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Post by AllAboutLove Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:44 pm

bluwavz wrote:
nothatgirl wrote:I guess it depends on your goals. I have to imagine that most contestants want to make it as far as possible in this "game", not even because of the lead, but because it ensures them more press, more exposure, more attention, more opportunities, etc. For the most part, people only remember the F4 and the villains and everyone wants to be remembered. JMO.

Haha, exactly. There's also the traveling. If I was eliminated at the F5-F6, I would've been livid if I missed out on where they went for the FD's. Forget the lead, I just want more vacation time. laugh out loud

Becca was a returnee though. Thus, IMHO, Becca as either F1 or not part of F4 would benefit her most. Anything else is doing what has been done before with herself and with another contestant (Nick) and all of it ended up negative. And travel to where? As F5 Becca already traveled. The only traveling left was a HTD and then FD/MTP/FRC in Jamaica. Not much travel left compared to the cons associated with being not-F1 for a returnee.

And being a non-F1 returnee is the key here, IMO. Because Becca was never going to be F1 based on Ben smitten with Lauren on his date with her and the dating stats. Thus, I happen to think the change in storyboard (if there was any) for Becca went from negative (HTD and F4/F3/F2) to more positive (no HTD and not put through same thing). Who knows, maybe TPTB discussed this at the last minute and likely decided not do the same thing over again... which to me, is a very positive thing for a returnee.

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:53 pm

Here are some of the tweets from RS:

"It's impossible to keep a secret when basically all of your friends and family run their mouths. The email count up to 5 now."

"Just ask her friends, family, or sisters. Keep getting emails they're telling everyone. Silly."

I was (and still am) really confused by his wording in those tweets. Why would he mention her sisters, specifically? I know "friends" can be vague, but to mention her sisters really confused me. Does anyone know if people questioned him on that via e-mail, tweets, etc., and if he followed up on any questions about that?

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Post by umngirl Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:54 pm

As someone who believes Becca's motives were everything but pure I wouldn't be shocked if she was upset she didn't go further because it hurts her chances of getting what she really wanted (and I'm not talking about Ben). Now I doubt she would ever publicly admit it and I wouldn't expect her too because that wouldn't fit the image she's built for herself.


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Post by AllAboutLove Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:56 pm

loveactually9 wrote:Well by that logic, Ben would be kinder to "spare" the mom of 2 young children. I don't agree with that logic because I don't think that Ben needs to "spare" anyone, whether it's a single mom or a returnee who should've known fully well what she was getting herself into much more so than the new girls.

The single mother was spared, IMO. She didn't go to FD. Getting to see her kids is something she would have done as F5 or as F4 since HTDs were filmed next but as F4 she can have that moment filmed on camera and a "homecoming" with her babies filmed. So yes, IMO, Ben/TPTB spared Becca and Becca's family a repeat of last year and spared the mother a FD when neither was his F1.
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Post by BlackHalo Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:03 pm

AllAboutLove wrote:
BlackHalo wrote:
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If TPTB wanted to slap the family or Becca on the wrist they would have dragged her to F2 and not let her go F5.  :Nod:
Becca leaving before being put through the same rigmarole as last year is the opposite of a slap on the wrist, imo.
If anything, Becca got the lucky break, imo.


When I say "slap on the wrist" I mean production contacted the family and politely told them to shut up. If being around to F4, F3, F2 was in their storyboard for Becca I don't think this would have stopped that. JMO.

Sure she got a lucky break but was that thanks to Ben or TPTB? We'll never know.

Calling Becca's family to hushup? I don't think so. That's no slap on the wrist, IMO, especially when Becca had been active on her SM already during filming.

Becca is a returnee and not a typical contestant so I think her storyboard is different from the usual. And I think that Becca's storyboard will show itself in the edit. I already have an idea of what it is going to be, and IMO, it if goes the way I think, then it makes total sense to me that TPTB would nix her having a HTD. It's more a positive approach, IMO, for her not to have her family shown again because she is a returnee. It's doing the opposite of the other returnee that went far (Nick).

So to me Becca having a HTD I always saw as a very negative thing for her edit if she wasn't F1. And IMHO, I think TPTB likely discussed this at the last minute and likely decided not do the same thing over again... which to me, is a very positive thing for a returnee who gets to F5.

Didn't Becca tweet out one time? and that was possibly to cast doubt about her being on this season. I don't really see that as a perk.

Also not seeing TPTB sparing Becca. Why spare her when they already made plans for a HTD? I think the decision was ultimately's Ben's. Sure TPTB can tell him what they want but he is that one that gets up there gives out those roses.

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Post by bluwavz Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:04 pm

I really think Ben just liked JoJo and Caila more than Amanda and Becca and there wasn't any "sparing" going on. TPTB don't care about sparing anyone's feelings. The lack chemistry between Ben and Amanda from the carnival pics was obvious and Becca only getting one 1-on-1 date and no GDR's tells me he wasn't into her, especially when you compare all the 1-on-1's, GDR's and SQT the other F6 ladies got.
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Post by AllAboutLove Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:06 pm

BlackHalo wrote:snipped
Didn't Becca tweet out one time? and that was possibly to cast doubt about her being on this season. I don't really see that as a perk.

Also not seeing TPTB sparing Becca. Why spare her when they already made plans for a HTD? I think the decision was ultimately's Ben's. Sure TPTB can tell him what they want but he is that one that gets up there gives out those roses.
Never said it was a perk. Just a fact.

As for TPTB not putting a returnee through HTDs or FDs or FRC for that matter when she wouldn't be F1? Yep, that's sparing Becca, IMO. Just ask Nick and his family.

As for who made the decision? TPTB or Ben? Still sparing a non-F1 returnee, IMHO.

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