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Re: Joelle Fletcher - (JoJo) - Bachelor 20 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
eversotrue wrote:Caila is probably gonna have the same storyline though (falling in love/getting heartbroken.) They all do. I definitely think she's one of their options.. I'm just not convinced she's their first option..nothatgirl wrote:I still think she's going to be their #1 pick for the Bachelorette. She just seems to fit the mold really well, seems the most popular, and the whole "has her guards up, ends up falling in love and then gets heartbroken" seems like the typical Bachelor/ette-storyline. Ben and Kaitlyn both had similar storylines.
I honestly don't think that being F2 is as big of a deal breaker as RS makes it out to be, since they tried so hard to get Chantal to do it. Other than her, there really hasn't been a F2 that outshined the F3/F4. They even signed a contract with Becca to do it last year, so if she had been popular enough, she would have gotten it. All they would have to do is not announce Bachelorette on AFTR, not have F2 talk to the lead at ATFR (like Lindzi and Clare), and/or push back filming a week. None of that seems like a true obstacle to me.
I just specifically meant the "guard up" part of it. It was stressed with both Ben and Kaitlyn that they had trouble opening up and letting down the guards because of past heartbreaks. Caila doesn't really have that, but, obviously, they could make her storyline "the hopeless romantic who still believes" and Amanda's "the single mother". I just think that the "trouble being vulnerable" one is a popular one for future leads.
I don't think that they've made a decision yet anyways. They're definitely going to wait to see public reaction.
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There has been a heartbroken F2 for 19 seasons. Trista from Season 1 went on to be the 'ette because she was F2 from the first season. DeAnna from Brad's season which wasn't until Season 11 went on to be the 'ette, there wasn't a F1.
Caila is getting the same dates as previous F3's that went on to be the 'ette. Even the fan favourite Tenley F2 from Jake's season was passed on. I can't see JoJo getting the lead.
Caila is getting the same dates as previous F3's that went on to be the 'ette. Even the fan favourite Tenley F2 from Jake's season was passed on. I can't see JoJo getting the lead.
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Re: Joelle Fletcher - (JoJo) - Bachelor 20 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
The only comparable date seems like Kaitlyn's JK date to me. No other future bachelorette had a comedy/celebrity date, IIRC. And, they did want Chantal so I think they would go after a f2 if she were popular enough and/or the storyline was there. I didn't say Jojo's storyline would be "heartbroken", but "letting her gaurds down only to get heartbroken again"; that, IMO, has typically been a future lead storyline. There have also been f2s that weren't hearbroken, like Becca.
I also did notice that Caila has the fewest followers among the f4 despite having the most screentime so far. Maybe things will change, but in the past, they've usually gone with the person who has the most or second most followers. JMO.
I also did notice that Caila has the fewest followers among the f4 despite having the most screentime so far. Maybe things will change, but in the past, they've usually gone with the person who has the most or second most followers. JMO.
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nothatgirl wrote:The only comparable date seems like Kaitlyn's JK date to me. No other future bachelorette had a comedy/celebrity date, IIRC. And, they did want Chantal so I think they would go after a f2 if she were popular enough and/or the storyline was there. I didn't say Jojo's storyline would be "heartbroken", but "letting her gaurds down only to get heartbroken again"; that, IMO, has typically been a future lead storyline. There have also been f2s that weren't hearbroken, like Becca.
I also did notice that Caila has the fewest followers among the f4 despite having the most screentime so far. Maybe things will change, but in the past, they've usually gone with the person who has the most or second most followers. JMO.
Wait until F4/F3.. that's when you can tell who the audience loves/wants as the next 'ette.
Even then.. Des got the 'ette over AshLee. I think the next 'ette will be popular, but not necessarily the most popular.
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I'm not writing off Jojo yet but do know her being f2 would make it a lot less likely. I don't think dates have anything to do with who they pick. They don't know who's going to be the next lead that early in the season.
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Re: Joelle Fletcher - (JoJo) - Bachelor 20 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*
california90 wrote:nothatgirl wrote:The only comparable date seems like Kaitlyn's JK date to me. No other future bachelorette had a comedy/celebrity date, IIRC. And, they did want Chantal so I think they would go after a f2 if she were popular enough and/or the storyline was there. I didn't say Jojo's storyline would be "heartbroken", but "letting her gaurds down only to get heartbroken again"; that, IMO, has typically been a future lead storyline. There have also been f2s that weren't hearbroken, like Becca.
I also did notice that Caila has the fewest followers among the f4 despite having the most screentime so far. Maybe things will change, but in the past, they've usually gone with the person who has the most or second most followers. JMO.
Wait until F4/F3.. that's when you can tell who the audience loves/wants as the next 'ette.
Even then.. Des got the 'ette over AshLee. I think the next 'ette will be popular, but not necessarily the most popular.
Did Ashlee have more followers than Des at the time? That's really surprising! I didn't follow SM that season, but I remember on after buzz, they talked about how Lesley had more followers than Des, which was really suprising to me. I know that Britt also had more IG followers than Kaitlyn at one point.
I agree that at F3/F4, it's going to become really obvious who the fan support is with. When Des was eliminated, people were devastated for her and with Ashlee, people just thought she was being a brat. Same with Kaitlyn vs. Britt. It will also be interesting how popularity increases or decreases as Amanda and Jojo get their 1-on-1s.
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nothatgirl wrote:california90 wrote:nothatgirl wrote:The only comparable date seems like Kaitlyn's JK date to me. No other future bachelorette had a comedy/celebrity date, IIRC. And, they did want Chantal so I think they would go after a f2 if she were popular enough and/or the storyline was there. I didn't say Jojo's storyline would be "heartbroken", but "letting her gaurds down only to get heartbroken again"; that, IMO, has typically been a future lead storyline. There have also been f2s that weren't hearbroken, like Becca.
I also did notice that Caila has the fewest followers among the f4 despite having the most screentime so far. Maybe things will change, but in the past, they've usually gone with the person who has the most or second most followers. JMO.
Wait until F4/F3.. that's when you can tell who the audience loves/wants as the next 'ette.
Even then.. Des got the 'ette over AshLee. I think the next 'ette will be popular, but not necessarily the most popular.
Did Ashlee have more followers than Des at the time? That's really surprising! I didn't follow SM that season, but I remember on after buzz, they talked about how Lesley had more followers than Des, which was really suprising to me. I know that Britt also had more IG followers than Kaitlyn at one point.
I agree that at F3/F4, it's going to become really obvious who the fan support is with. When Des was eliminated, people were devastated for her and with Ashlee, people just thought she was being a brat. Same with Kaitlyn vs. Britt. It will also be interesting how popularity increases or decreases as Amanda and Jojo get their 1-on-1s.
AshLee was talked a lot more but I dont know who had more followers. And I loved Lesley, I actually wanted her to be the next 'ette. She was also quite popular. Des was a sleeper up until her departure. But I agree with you. Des was the most heartbroken while AshLee was scornful. Following Sean's season, there was no doubt TPTB wanted a similar 'ette to Sean. Plus I think everyone would have had fun with Des's brother ..
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AshLee was so obviously on the crazy side to me that I can't imagine them actually considering her for the lead role.
I think JoJo is more likely to get the job than Caila. She's just more relaxed on camera, more mature and sexier. I'll be surprised if they take a pass just because she's F2.
I think JoJo is more likely to get the job than Caila. She's just more relaxed on camera, more mature and sexier. I'll be surprised if they take a pass just because she's F2.
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mindless wrote:AshLee was so obviously on the crazy side to me that I can't imagine them actually considering her for the lead role.
I think JoJo is more likely to get the job than Caila. She's just more relaxed on camera, more mature and sexier. I'll be surprised if they take a pass just because she's F2.
ITA best choice for the 'ette by a mile. Sexy and mature they would be foolish to pass her up IMO.
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mindless wrote:AshLee was so obviously on the crazy side to me that I can't imagine them actually considering her for the lead role.
I think JoJo is more likely to get the job than Caila. She's just more relaxed on camera, more mature and sexier. I'll be surprised if they take a pass just because she's F2.
ITA agree with this. I haven't been able to warm to Caila so in all probability that will ensure that she is the next lead. I just jinxed it.
But back to Jojo, obviously it will depend on her edit to see if they keep the sexy driven career girl edit or she turns into a bad girl edit.
Just because she reportedly ends up as F2 doesn't mean she does not have a chance. If they want they can make it work.
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Personally I find Jojo more interesting, so I'd hope she was the lead.
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I think if Jojo was popular enough, they'd make it work but Caila is diversity-lite which they desperately need/want for buzz, sounds awful but I hope it makes sense, and will be just as popular imo. I think Jojo is a distant, distant, distant second choice and only if Caila falls through for some random, surprising reason at the 11th hour.
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