The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - FRC - ATFR- July 27th *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Well, she did give an interview saying Sean/Cat were lying about not having sex, because Sean was friends with Arie, which meant he must be a player too. She also defended Juan Pablo throughout, so I think Jillian can be just as biased and wrong as the next person. I think that if your friend really hates someone and is bad-mouthing them, your instinct is to believe their side and To hate the person too.

Ali also said Andi had told her some things about Nick, which made her question whether he was telling the truth, but since then she's gotten to know him on her own and says she thinks he is a genuine guy. I just don't ex-girlfriends are going to be the most unbiased sources, especially when the breakup was so recent.

chasingpavements wrote:Well, she did give an interview saying Sean/Cat were lying about not having sex, because Sean was friends with Arie, which meant he must be a player too. She also defended Juan Pablo throughout, so I think Jillian can be just as biased and wrong as the next person. I think that if your friend really hates someone and is bad-mouthing them, your instinct is to believe their side and To hate the person too.

Ali also said Andi had told her some things about Nick, which made her question whether he was telling the truth, but since then she's gotten to know him on her own and says she thinks he is a genuine guy. I just don't ex-girlfriends are going to be the most unbiased sources, especially when the breakup was so recent.

I really feel though that there was some stuff said and likely from Kait to Jill as they have spent time together before and after the season. Something has changed for Jill to do an about face in her comments with Nick. Again, it is my view that Nick isn't an inoccent in all of this. He is manipulative and totally shady. I just think that we are in for some more crap to come down the pipe.

Yeah, I have to say I'm worried about what will happen! I feel like it's going to be as divisive and controversial as Andi's finale/ATFR.

I just don't feel that Nick will play fair at all. He will be another manipulative guy just as he's done throughout the season. Not gonna be good.

He was brought onto the show to be a drama king and that's all. He is an annoying distraction cause the producers all knew that it would only be Kait and shawn from the get go.

This is one of the reasons why I think Jillian has changed her tune. She knows what`s happened and Nick is the cause of the problems period.

This is just my own thoughts, but in the final analysis, do we really know if Nick came on the show to pursue Kaitlyn because he felt something for her and it just developed further, or if he is a tool of TPTB and was brought on to heighten the drama of an otherwise obvious season. I wonder if we will ever know the truth.

Sharleen is a good friend of both Kaiylyn and Nick's and she said "Nick was not begged, paid, or coerced into coming on this season. He truly, legitimately had a huge crush on Kaitlyn, felt they could potentially have something very special, and did what he had to to pursue her." That seems to be backed up by all of the Nick and Kaitlyn sources in tabloids saying Nick was obsessed with her, they talked everyday until 3 in the morning, Kaitlyn jokingly asked him to come on the show, they sexted, Nick spent 10 beers worth of time telling his friend how amazing she was, etc. I definitely think that Nick knew he would be used by producers for drama and maybe there was a part of him that thought "oh, I wonder if this will repair my image", but I do feel like all the sources are pointing to Nick just really crushing on Kaitlyn.

chasingpavements wrote:Yeah, I have to say I'm worried about what will happen! I feel like it's going to be as divisive and controversial as Andi's finale/ATFR.

I actually don't think it will. I don't think he will risk being vilified again.

BowenAnderson wrote:

chasingpavements wrote:Yeah, I have to say I'm worried about what will happen! I feel like it's going to be as divisive and controversial as Andi's finale/ATFR.

I actually don't think it will.  I don't think he will risk being vilified again.  

I think all this information coming out about her pre-show relationship with Nick is going to be thrown at her face at ATFR.

This is how I look at the pre-show stuff. 
They got to know each other on a cyber level. They met and got to know each other better and found out things were different from initial expectations. They were simply not meant to be more than friends after exploring a real time relationship. Nothing scandalous to me.

IA, Kasha! Why would anyone hold that against her?  She let Nick on to explore that relationship more but it didn't work out in the end. It seems so simple to me.

I still haven't heard back from my contact at ABC regarding ATFR. Due to the emotional nature of the finale I wouldn't be surprised if it is a closed set. Possibly because things are still a bit touchy. And Nick can be unpredictable.

Kashathediva wrote:This is how I look at the pre-show stuff. 
They got to know it other on a cyber level. They met and got to know each other better and found out things were different from initial expectations. They were simply not meant to be more than friends after exploring a real time relationship. Nothing scandalous to me.

Agreed but it's scandalous because there were other dudes involved and this isn't how the show goes, plus she lied about the extent of her involvement with him. Also, she says she doesn't want to discuss Nick with Shawn and Shawn with Nick, but continually brings Nick up with Shawn for some amazing, unknown and unclear reasons. She just handled things poorly on the all around with this Nick situation imo.

agentcurls wrote:IA, Kasha! Why would anyone hold that against her?  She let Nick on to explore that relationship more but it didn't work out in the end. It seems so simple to me.

I still haven't heard back from my contact at ABC regarding ATFR. Due to the emotional nature of the finale I wouldn't be surprised if it is a closed set. Possibly because things are still a bit touchy. And Nick can be unpredictable.

Got that right!