The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 9 July 13th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

agentcurls wrote:Let's try to negate all of the so-called  evidence:
1) blog shout-outs - a concealment of Nick as F1 with K working in conjunction w/ tptb as a throw-off
2) both S&K's have stated their next dog is going to be a Bernese. Maybe a coincidence? Maybe they both just love that type of dog
3) Canada pants - a a gift from an old hockey buddy? Or a thanks to the hospitality in Vancouver for his stay during LCD?
4) snapchat - an old snapchat that was saved....then leaked at a later time. Is it out of the realm of possibility that K accidentally snapped that (SA hotel visit or FD) and AlShabbibbi recorded it back then and then strategically leaked it post-filming?  Far-fetched. Impossible?
With technology today not too many things are impossible.
But even if we can negate any one of these or all of these things,  collectively I don't know that we can.

Question AC, did you ever hear back from your contact about tickets for AFTR. I know you said you hadn't heard from them. GA and I are thinking that maybe the AFTR is going to be closed set.

Agent, let's also negate K blocking people on periscope that mention anything negative about Shawn. And while we're there, let's also negate her instas and Twitter posts about Shawn. And actually, can we also negate the bracelet? Wait! As long as we're on the topic, can we negate their shv sm posts? We have a lot of work up ahead of us!

gurlbrit wrote:

agentcurls wrote:Let's try to negate all of the so-called  evidence:
1) blog shout-outs - a concealment of Nick as F1 with K working in conjunction w/ tptb as a throw-off
2) both S&K's have stated their next dog is going to be a Bernese. Maybe a coincidence? Maybe they both just love that type of dog
3) Canada pants - a a gift from an old hockey buddy? Or a thanks to the hospitality in Vancouver for his stay during LCD?
4) snapchat - an old snapchat that was saved....then leaked at a later time. Is it out of the realm of possibility that K accidentally snapped that (SA hotel visit or FD) and AlShabbibbi recorded it back then and then strategically leaked it post-filming?  Far-fetched. Impossible?
With technology today not too many things are impossible.
But even if we can negate any one of these or all of these things,  collectively I don't know that we can.

Question AC, did you ever hear back from your contact about tickets for AFTR. I know you said you hadn't heard from them.  GA and I are thinking that maybe the AFTR is going to be closed set.

I have tried to contact her a few times now to no avail. She usually gets back to me after a few days.
I think due to the sensitive nature of things, it may be a closed set. How emotional Nicks's family got during MTP, coupled with the perceived animosity between Nick and Shawn, and both of them being somewhat unpredictable.

agentcurls wrote:Let's try to negate all of the so-called  evidence:
1) blog shout-outs - a concealment of Nick as F1 with K working in conjunction w/ tptb as a throw-off
2) both S&K's have stated their next dog is going to be a Bernese. Maybe a coincidence? Maybe they both just love that type of dog
3) Canada pants - a a gift from an old hockey buddy? Or a thanks to the hospitality in Vancouver for his stay during LCD?
4) snapchat - an old snapchat that was saved....then leaked at a later time. Is it out of the realm of possibility that K accidentally snapped that (SA hotel visit or FD) and AlShabbibbi recorded it back then and then strategically leaked it post-filming?  Far-fetched. Impossible?
With technology today not too many things are impossible.
But even if we can negate any one of these or all of these things,  collectively I don't know that we can.

Negate 3) since LCD was in Utah. So were the pants from K then?
Negate 4) Kait's hair shorter and darker
Plus SHV. Shawn and K spotted coincidentally in CA different parts especially July 4 weekend when Shawn also spotted leaving Palm Springs on Tuesday and his pool pic and signs in K's snapchat that she was there including holding a bottle of Shawn's favorite beer.
Nick with bikinied girls including Julie Berry lookalike on boat in Chicago
K's bracelet from S mentioned in her blog now appearing in recent pictures (on instagram) and interviews back from May

Ok I feel better now.

1 and 2 would be more arguable about being foilers IMO. But I am back to thinking S is final 1 just questioning TPTB allowing K to post so freely in her blogs about Shawn which makes me wonder what the ATFR is going to be about. I never trust TPTB and especially not this season

Alanna wrote:Agent, let's also negate K blocking people on periscope that mention anything negative about Shawn. And while we're there, let's also negate her instas and Twitter posts about Shawn. And actually, can we also negate the bracelet? Wait! As long as we're on the topic, can we negate their shv sm posts? We have a lot of work up ahead of us!

yes!! A lot to try and negate!

Alanna wrote:Agent, let's also negate K blocking people on periscope that mention anything negative about Shawn. And while we're there, let's also negate her instas and Twitter posts about Shawn. And actually, can we also negate the bracelet? Wait! As long as we're on the topic, can we negate their shv sm posts? We have a lot of work up ahead of us!

Lol! I am off the ledge about S being F1 now. Just want to see what kind of mess lies ahead in ATFR.

agentcurls wrote:

Alanna wrote:Agent, let's also negate K blocking people on periscope that mention anything negative about Shawn. And while we're there, let's also negate her instas and Twitter posts about Shawn. And actually, can we also negate the bracelet? Wait! As long as we're on the topic, can we negate their shv sm posts? We have a lot of work up ahead of us!

yes!! A lot to try and negate!

Oh but we saw it appear. When she knocks on his door, it's not there but in the scene where she tells him he has to streak, she's wearing it when drinking her tea or whatever

agentcurls wrote:

Alanna wrote:Agent, let's also negate K blocking people on periscope that mention anything negative about Shawn. And while we're there, let's also negate her instas and Twitter posts about Shawn. And actually, can we also negate the bracelet? Wait! As long as we're on the topic, can we negate their shv sm posts? We have a lot of work up ahead of us!

yes!! A lot to try and negate!

JoJo posted a clip in the Media section of the FD where it is apparent she is not wearing the bracelet at the beginning of the clip where she greets Shawn at his room but later on, she is wearing it so I think its' safe to assume she got it from him just left on the cutting room floor.

Alanna wrote:

agentcurls wrote:

Alanna wrote:Agent, let's also negate K blocking people on periscope that mention anything negative about Shawn. And while we're there, let's also negate her instas and Twitter posts about Shawn. And actually, can we also negate the bracelet? Wait! As long as we're on the topic, can we negate their shv sm posts? We have a lot of work up ahead of us!

yes!! A lot to try and negate!

Oh but we saw it appear. When she knocks on his door, it's not there but in the scene where she tells him he has to streak, she's wearing it when drinking her tea or whatever

And she mentioned in her blog which I forgot about.

isittrue wrote:*snipped*  But I am back to thinking S is final  1 just questioning TPTB allowing K to post so freely in her blogs about Shawn which makes me wonder what the ATFR is going to be about.  I never trust TPTB and especially not this season

If anything, I think the obviousness of it all can make one question and so I think that is exactly how they were playing Nick on the show. He was overconfident last year and it blew up in his face so this year he is cautiously optimistic and viewed Shawn as overconfident and blew up in his face. TPTB have a way of making things soo obvious they don't seem true and yet, they are.

I think at the end of the day, TPTB don't care enough to control their lead if they do spoil, etc, because the data shows that they don't lose viewers from spoilers and ratings are not dependent on spoilers but the show itself (lead, contestants, drama, and possible love story ending). jmo

AllAboutLove wrote:

isittrue wrote:*snipped*  But I am back to thinking S is final  1 just questioning TPTB allowing K to post so freely in her blogs about Shawn which makes me wonder what the ATFR is going to be about.  I never trust TPTB and especially not this season

If anything, I think the obviousness of it all can make one question and so I think that is exactly how they were playing Nick on the show. He was overconfident last year and it blew up in his face so this year he is cautiously optimistic and viewed Shawn as overconfident and blew up in his face. TPTB have a way of making things soo obvious they don't seem true and yet, they are.

I think at the end of the day, TPTB don't care enough to control their lead if they do spoil, etc, because the data shows that they don't lose viewers from spoilers and ratings are not dependent on spoilers but the show itself (lead, contestants, drama, and possible love story ending). jmo

Last season I was always analyzing the SM clues and even spent hours trying to explain away Nicks plane video but in the end, a ribbon bracelet and the leads omission of Nick from her instagrams of the Htds finally convinced me . After Des season I pretty much question everything especially when it's so obvious but I am not just a regular viewer who does not follow all this SM .

Yeah, it seems like they got lazy after Des's season. Nikki, Josh, and Whitney were such obvious F1s and they left in things that made it so obvious very early on that they were going to be F1. I kind of hate that they've gotten so lazy with it, because it makes for boring TV, TBH.