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Post by isittrue Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:40 pm

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Cecilia wrote:I think she was super torn up until the end.  If she knew it was Shawn at this point she might have picked Ben instead of Nick to make it easier on Shawn.  If she was so certain it was Shawn she would have not let Nick propose.  I seriously think she decided at the last minute.  JMO.

I do personally think that the finale will be surprising to people who think it was always going to be Shawn and was checked out with Nick. Just a gut feeling.

I also think that, even though she might have decided on Shawn beforehand, she wasn't ready to let go of Nick yet. I remember Jason saying he had decided on Melissa before the LCD/meeting Ty and his family, but it was obvious that he wasn't ready to let go of Molly yet. I think a similar thing will happen here.

And we know what happened next Suspect

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Post by gurlbrit Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:53 pm

isittrue wrote:
chasingpavements wrote:
Cecilia wrote:I think she was super torn up until the end.  If she knew it was Shawn at this point she might have picked Ben instead of Nick to make it easier on Shawn.  If she was so certain it was Shawn she would have not let Nick propose.  I seriously think she decided at the last minute.  JMO.

I do personally think that the finale will be surprising to people who think it was always going to be Shawn and was checked out with Nick. Just a gut feeling.

I also think that, even though she might have decided on Shawn beforehand, she wasn't ready to let go of Nick yet. I remember Jason saying he had decided on Melissa before the LCD/meeting Ty and his family, but it was obvious that he wasn't ready to let go of Molly yet. I think a similar thing will happen here.

And we know what happened next Suspect

So are you guys thinking that this will be a full off Mesnick? Honestly I can't see it.


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Post by Cecilia Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:00 pm

gurlbrit wrote:
isittrue wrote:
chasingpavements wrote:

I do personally think that the finale will be surprising to people who think it was always going to be Shawn and was checked out with Nick. Just a gut feeling.

I also think that, even though she might have decided on Shawn beforehand, she wasn't ready to let go of Nick yet. I remember Jason saying he had decided on Melissa before the LCD/meeting Ty and his family, but it was obvious that he wasn't ready to let go of Molly yet. I think a similar thing will happen here.

And we know what happened next Suspect

So are you guys thinking that this will be a full off Mesnick?  Honestly I can't see it.

I think she picks Shawn. But I just don't see their relationship lasting that long and I wouldn't be surprised that if they break up Nick will be waiting in the wings. That's just the idea I get from his social media. I don't think he isn't heartbroken and I don't think he is with someone else. I think he wants to see how things pan out.
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Post by Lucas15 Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:03 pm

isittrue wrote:Yeah, I think her original plan was have some fun and if/when Nick showed up, explore her relationship with him.  I don't think she was counting on falling for Shawn before Nick got there and I can bet if Shawn wasn't there, Nick would have ended up her F1 for sure.  But yes, she made a big mess of things.  

IMO when she left for filming she had this "thing" with Nick even though she had never met him She had no idea even IF she was going to be The Bachelorette because of the stupid "two leads and let the men decide" plan so I think she was biased to see what might happen with Nick should she not be the lead. IMO meeting Shawn the first night and reacting to him as she did was something she didn't anticipate and could not have anticipated - and that changed everything.

relaxing wrote:This. I can see a visible mutual, real, connection between these 2 I haven't seen on the show in many seasons. That's what I always hope for, rarely see personally.

^^^ This too

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:15 pm

gurlbrit wrote:
isittrue wrote:
chasingpavements wrote:

I do personally think that the finale will be surprising to people who think it was always going to be Shawn and was checked out with Nick. Just a gut feeling.

I also think that, even though she might have decided on Shawn beforehand, she wasn't ready to let go of Nick yet. I remember Jason saying he had decided on Melissa before the LCD/meeting Ty and his family, but it was obvious that he wasn't ready to let go of Molly yet. I think a similar thing will happen here.

And we know what happened next Suspect

So are you guys thinking that this will be a full off Mesnick?  Honestly I can't see it.

I personally don't think so. Unless this is a very elaborate hoax, it's really hard to explain the Canada pants that Shawn wore, Jillian's change in tone against Nick, Kaitlyn continuing to be very pro-Shawn in her blogs and Periscopes, Nick hanging out with a bunch of half-naked women on July 4th, K/S looking to be in a SHV-like env't on the same day, etc. My only point was that I personally disagree with people that think that Kaitlyn was checked out with Nick; I think she still had strong feelings for him and wasn't ready to let him go. Maybe what I'll see at the LCD/FRC will change my mind, but I don't think so. From what Ali has said and the tabloid saying that the rejection took 1 hour, I don't think this is a run of the mill finale; I think that both N/K had a Molly/Jason type of breakup, where they were both heartbroken.


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Post by Cecilia Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:18 pm

^ITA chasingpavements. Other reasons why: she would have sent Nick home F3 if she knew it was Shawn and he hated Nick so much. The hysterical crying after her date with Shawn. And I don't think she would have let Nick propose if she hadn't made up her mind pretty much at the last minute. Only other thing would be if producers told her in order for Nick to be the Bachelor she had to let him propose - I am pretty sure that was the reason Ashley let Ben propose.
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Post by Ladybug82 Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:19 pm

I agree, CP!  I think that is where the Mesnick crying, about to fall or throw yourself over the banister, melt down occurs.  Not a switch...just the wailing, sad, heart breaking goodbye.
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Post by isittrue Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:32 pm

chasingpavements wrote:
gurlbrit wrote:
isittrue wrote:

And we know what happened next Suspect

So are you guys thinking that this will be a full off Mesnick?  Honestly I can't see it.

I personally don't think so. Unless this is a very elaborate hoax, it's really hard to explain the Canada pants that Shawn wore, Jillian's change in tone against Nick, Kaitlyn continuing to be very pro-Shawn in her blogs and Periscopes, Nick hanging out with a bunch of half-naked women on July 4th, K/S looking to be in a SHV-like env't on the same day, etc. My only point was that I personally disagree with people that think that Kaitlyn was checked out with Nick; I think she still had strong feelings for him and wasn't ready to let him go. Maybe what I'll see at the LCD/FRC will change my mind, but I don't think so. From what Ali has said and the tabloid saying that the rejection took 1 hour, I don't think this is a run of the mill finale; I think that both N/K had a Molly/Jason type of breakup, where they were both heartbroken.


Yeah, I was just commenting on the unlikelihood of it being Nick as F1 in another thread. I doubt TPTB would get this elaborate to foil RS and again the 4th of July SHV and Nick on the boat was really the final confirmation to me. I do think the FRC will be devastating to watch and not easy for K or N at all. Hopefully, when it's all said and done, she will be happy to accept Shawn's proposal. I remember watching Jason propose to Melissa and he just seemed so drained and flat. I knew then it wasn't going to last - and then came the special ATFR. If you follow her SM and interviews, K seems at peace and happy so hopefully she isn't losing sleep wondering what if.

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Post by Hotmomma Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:35 pm

Seabear wrote:I listened to that long podcast that was posted the other day with the former TBP as the guest and it was interesting to hear his perceptions from the production side.  The podcast was analyzing the last episode. From his perception of producing the Bachelor/Ette for many years he felt that Kaitlyn was definitely more in tune with Nick.  When asked who he thought she would choose at the end, he chose Nick even with knowing all the spoilers.  His analysis of the family visits and each of the cast was quite fascinating.  To me it seems very obvious that Kaitlyn chose Shawn because of snapchat, sm etc etc etc but it gave me pause for thought listening to someone who knows all the secrets.  Regardless of the ending there is no doubt that Kaitlyn had strong feelings for both guys.  I think the real problem is that Kaitlyn is like a kid in the candy store and she really is struggling with which candy do I want to eat "for the rest of my life."  Anyway the the rejection goes down it is going to be brutal and very hurtful for the rejectee.  Regardless that they all signed up for this, people are people, emotions are emotions and I am sure that for these 3 people it all felt very real in the moment.  Even though I have a bias toward one over the other and I am not impressed with Kaitlyns behavior post show.....  I wish them all well.  As always....JMO

Seabear..do you happen to have a link? I would love to hear it.
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Post by Cecilia Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:36 pm

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Post by agentcurls Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:12 pm

The conspiracy theorists have some strong points, especially after being blindsided by the Des/Brooks foiler. BUT... I cannot get past Kaitlyn's shout-outs to Shawn in blogs, SM (especially the Bernese dog thing) snapchat, AND Canada golf pants.


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Post by agentcurls Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:24 pm

Let's try to negate all of the so-called  evidence:
1) blog shout-outs - a concealment of Nick as F1 with K working in conjunction w/ tptb as a throw-off
2) both S&K's have stated their next dog is going to be a Bernese. Maybe a coincidence? Maybe they both just love that type of dog
3) Canada pants - a a gift from an old hockey buddy? Or a thanks to the hospitality in Vancouver for his stay during LCD?
4) snapchat - an old snapchat that was saved....then leaked at a later time. Is it out of the realm of possibility that K accidentally snapped that (SA hotel visit or FD) and AlShabbibbi recorded it back then and then strategically leaked it post-filming?  Far-fetched. Impossible?
With technology today not too many things are impossible.
But even if we can negate any one of these or all of these things, collectively I don't know that we can.


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