The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 9 July 13th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

rosesrREd wrote:

sdmom wrote:Just a thought: Will Kaitlyn be in DWTS? If so, maybe both will move to LA. They can open a personal training/dance studio. Right now, both of them are jobless and seem to be aimless in life (IMO). Will not surprise me both want to be on entertainment industry.
ETA: I would love to see them use their fame for good causes. Nick has done charity works, so has Josh.

Doubtful. DWTS doesn't start until mid September.  Everyone will have forgotten about those two by then.

Heck, there are bach's that finished their seasons in March, yet they are on DWTS and haven't been forgotten so think the same can go for Kait as well. She does have a dancing background so chances are, she'd go for it if they ask.

As far as it being said about Nick and Josh, Kait too has done stuff for charities as well and seeing how she does care for things, can see her doing more in the future.

That's because the spring season of DWTS starts in March, so it's perfect timing because the Bachelor can be on DWTS as soon as The Bachelor ends. Mid-September is only 1.5 months away from the finale, so I do think Kaitlyn could get it, but it makes much more sense for the Bachelors to do it.

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Pandora wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:Kaitlyn said Nick was different from the type of guys she goes for and he brings out a deeper and more sensitive side to her. She also said she wasn't sure about longterm with him... alluding to him being different from what she is attracted to and goes for.

Imo, from what Kaitlyn said and did, Nick blindsided her by how much she liked him because he is not her type at all. K liked who she was with Nick but was concerned that they were too different because she had never liked a guy like him before.

To me it is is just a repeat of last year... going with the safe option. That being said, I think the safe option was the best choice as I think Kaitlyn is too much of an "in the moment" person for Nick. He needs someone who he can have fun with but who is more grounded (his own Matilda). jmo

Sigh.  Yeah, we did hear this last year.  Nick was a surprise because he was not Andi's type.  Andi chose her type, even though it never works out with "her type" and shocker! it didn't work out again.  

The moral is that most people are bad at taking good risks.  I think that even if Nick is not the ultimate one for Kaitlyn, he's a better choice than Shawn.

With this in mind, I would love to see someone who is a risk taker in the position to hand out roses.  I do love Ben, but he will just another season of the same old, same old.  And certainly not something to top the past three seasons of this franchise. (Not that the farmer standing in his field was all that interesting.)  

IMO, Nick is the only one that will draw the drama that the producers seem to crave.  Just imagine 25 women to fall under Nick's "deceiving manipulations"...it will bring out the cat claws like none other before him.  

No thankyou...I have seen enough of Nick on my TV to last a lifetime. If he ever were to return, it would really be one dark day for sure!! Had enough of his swarmy ways and his attitude. Plus I really think his family would disown him if he were to put them through that rat race again.

agentcurls wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:Shawn's mother was not featured in last night's episode.

I know he's had a sorted relationship with her since the cheating/divorce.
This coupled with his major car accident say a lot about Shawn.
A part of him may never trust Kaitlyn, but perhaps that's what he expects from most females in his life. Kaitlyn's strong personality could actually fill the void of a maternal figure in his life. It wouldn't be the first time a man goes after someone like mom.
Very interesting dynamics.

Alanna wrote:Shawn said his mom couldn't make it, but from sm she can't ever make it to anything. It seems like there's no relationship at all, just looking at the sm.

I understand Shawn's clinginess with Kait after his freak out to the producer about his parents' divorce. Kait is so sweet and maternal so maybe she'll help him heal and open up, which is what he's been saying so far. So we'll see. I'm optimistic because Kait seems optimistic and happy

I had to respond to these two posts. Kaitlyn is the least mother like figure in the world to me. I hope most mothers aren't drunk a lot, and have the ability to live outside just this moment, because when you have children you do actually have to plan and all that yucky stuff. JMO

agentcurls wrote:Nick seems to handle conflict better than Shawn....however, it doesn't make Shawn a bad person.

I wish Shawn wouldn't question Nick's intentions with Kaitlyn. If he thinks Kaitlyn is so wonderful, why can't Nick be there 125% for her? It's a little insulting to Kaitlyn, IMO.

I get the sense that given Shawn's parents' divorce (and how it came to be) he questions not only other mens' intentions, but also a woman's judgment.
Again, this goes back to Kaitlyn maybe reminding Shawn of his mother.

I feel absolutely robbed of KaitBoo romance. You just gotta know there was some wonderful stuff cut to the editing room floor. Shame on you, tptb.

I find Shawn's insistence that Nick couldn't possibly have just come for Kaitlyn arrogant and a huge insult to Kaitlyn.

As for excuses for Shawn's behavior. Almost 50% of marriages end in divorce and more children are probably from broken homes than nuclear families now. It is not an excuse to act like a jerk.

Even the car accident. You mentioned you went through something similar, my dad did too, he was in the hospital for five months and unconscious for two months. I bet you much like my father were grateful to be alive. My dad viewed everyday as a gift. But one thing was very true, it was not an excuse for him to treat others badly.

If Shawn has issues from either of these events he needs to seek professional help, not act like an idiot. His behavior doesn't make him a bad person, but it does make him someone that a lot of us would not want to be around IMO.

If Shawn had focused on Kaitlyn instead of Nick, you would have seen a Kaitboo romance, but the editors will use every bad you give them, so blame Shawn and Kaitlyn for the lack of focus on their romance. With Des's season, a romance with Chris was there and shown in small amounts, because Chris acted like a grown man and didn't give them bad things to show instead. Again this JMO.

MiaHawk wrote:Everything I thought about the episode has already been said by others.  My comment is about the preview for the finale.

K is almost giddy as she tells her family that " both men hate each other".  First, I do not believe that N hates S and I do not recall him ever saying that word on the show, and I do not see him as the type of guy to use that word towards S. N said he has no respect for S. Huge difference.

It is the childish S who cannot stand the sight of N, so much that he blasted him verbally, and instructed N never to speak to him or about him ever again.  Pretty sure that S has used the word hate, even if we never saw it.

K likes drama. Maybe neither man used the exact word, but she feeds off of S's highly charged emotions and his dislike of N. It's very sad, to me, that S is incapable of having a mature conversation with N. It's a juvenile and meathead move. But, it seems like K likes a juvenile and immature partner. That way she can be crazy and brash as well.  I think that N (as well as some of the other men) actually would have made K a better person. By that, I mean more mature, able to think through to the consequences gor her actions, and just have a different viewpoint on things. aka they would have made her grow up.

Mia, I agree with every word.

Aunties_Love wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

jojo47 wrote:

I am Canadian & agree that we have a great country to live in. Yes, there are lots of jobs in Vancouver. But unless Kaitlyn & Shawn are married, he will not be able to work here without the appropriate visas. I'm sure the same goes for Kaitlyn in the US, but she may be better set up, given she's already been working in the US filming B'ette.

My guess is that she already has some sort of visa just from simply being on the show. Also, her family stays in Arizona in the winter time, so they already have some sort of status here.

I am Canadian as well and as a fact, Canadians can stay in the USA for a continuous period of not more than 5 months and 3 weeks at a time within a year.  My mom goes and stays in Arizona from the first week in Nov to the last week in March.  She does that each and every year.

Canadians can come and visit, but they must have an appropriate Visa to work. For that they should have a needed skill. Not sure where Kaitlyn fits in that, but is they both have family money then job might not be an issue, or TPTB and ABC might help with Visa issues to help them work it out.

We are losing my favorite Canadian professor because her husband could not get a Visa from the US to work, since his skill set was not something that was not covered here already. So it isn't always easy for a Canadian to live and work longterm in the US. Now then can get married right away and she can get a green card that way.

I don't get the Ben H. Love.. he was sooo boring!!!

Alanna wrote:I don't think she's downplaying anything. Regardless of how conflicted she thought she was and maybe she was torn 50/50 by them when they were filming, I think her behavior with each of them is really clear. It is probably all subconscious but she is giddy, crazy and over the moon in all her happy scenes with Shawn and his family, and "normal" with Nick and his family. Watching it, there's no way her heart was conflicted imo, and she probably recognizes it now post-show as well.

IMO she is not downplaying her feelings now - her body language (subconscious) reactions on the MTP dates with both Nick's and Shawn's families was pretty darn good reflection of where her emotions were at that point. IMO her emotions now (as evidenced in her most recent blogs) are quite consistent with her emotions then. Her words are clearer now but early in the season she was very restricted on what words she could use; now it appears she is not.

chasingpavements wrote:I actually don't think it started when the show started airing, since she defended him in all the interviews she did after the initial promo was released and even said that they were the closest two people can be that had never met. I remember thinking that the "she picks no one" spoiler was wrong and she was with Nick, just based she smiled in interviews when his name came up. It was around snap-chat that her interviews and blogs did a 180 in regards to Nick. ... I feel like something has changed.

IMO when the show first started airing, Kaitlyn's feelings at that point in time were nothing more nor less than an extension of her feelings during filming (see above comments wrt her body language). However I think that when the show began airing she had to say things consistent with how the show wanted her to portray the ending - I think they wanted the "she picks no one" ending to be the one viewers and spoilers "knew about". Her comments of "refreshing" and "it ended as it should" are both correct - and misleading - as to what we currently have seen about the ending. Those words allowed us to believe that she picked no one - had she said "I'm happy and in love" there's probably no way many would believe she picked no one. She said what she had to say.

It's my opinion that if you divide the show into segments and ignore spoilers and only go by what the show has given us I think you might see different possible outcomes. From episode 1 through the NYC date but before Nick joined the cast you might see her attraction to Shawn as the an indication of how the show might end. If you then included the following episodes through the evening of her 1-1 date with Nick in Dublin you might see an outcome that she had changed her mind and would pick Nick. But if you then included everything starting the morning after the Dublin 1-1 through the episode of last Monday you would start to question how she could have picked Nick because she spent all her energies worrying about how that Dublin date could be explained to Shawn and if she would lose him because of it. Once she told Shawn - and didn't lose him - the trajectory is back to its original one again.

So snapchat might have turned a corner of sorts but the real issue as I see it is the trajectory of Kaitlyn's journey as shown on our TV screens. IMO there was a very clear distinction between the two MTP dates in Utah as far as Kaitlyn's reactions on them and her blog is more reflective of those reactions.
JMHO

It's not only the MTP when she gushed about Shawn's family more. other than her blog about Nick's initial Appearance, she has never really written more than 1-2 sentences about him in her blogs. Whereas she freely gushes about all the other guys. I can believe that she's always had stronger feelings for Shawn, but I think she was pretty smitten on their Dublin date (yet nothing on that) and I think she definitely had stronger feelings for Nick than she did for Ben, Chris, and Jared, but for some reason they got more in-depth recounting of dates and convos while Nick got almost nothing. She didn't even mention Nick's ILY and I don't believe she was completely apathetic to it. Even in Periscope, she talks about all the guys, except Nick.

Something more is going on here than her blog showing the difference in feelings for the guys at the time, IMO.

Great post, Lucas!!! I see the same things you do!!

She really ruined her relationship with Nick with their Dublin sexfest imo. It seemed like she felt so much guilt after and fear that Shawn would leave her that as much as she tried, she could never get back to that place of excitement with Nick like she was in nyc and beginning in Dublin.

She almost ruined her relationship with Shawn too thanks to her late night rendezvous with him also, but luckily for her, they got through it.

Isn't it reasonable to say that K's behavior after sex with N was all driven by her fear of S's reaction, including the possibility that he'd leave her?

Therefore, I think that it is reasonable to say that K's lack of including N in her blogs (which I do not read myself but am going only from the comments here) and her lack of interaction with N on SM (also going only by comments made here) is also due to her fear of S's reaction, including that he'd leave her.

Also, one more thing to ponder... IF K was offered and accepted DWTS I cannot imagine S being able to handle it. One, the schedule and time away from him (but he may be able to rationalize that part because of the paycheck), two, all of the spotlight being on K, and three, the "romantic nature" that is involved with the performance of the dances.

A lot of acting out of sexual and sensual feelings in those routines. IMO, S would blow a gasket. I really do. I don't think he has enough trust in him for that kind of a test. IMO neither K nor S are emotionally mature enough for a longterm committed relationship.

MiaHawk wrote:Isn't it reasonable to say that K's behavior after sex with N was all driven by her fear of S's reaction, including the possibility that he'd leave her?

IMO it's partly reasonable. When Kaitlyn told Shawn she'd had sex with Nick Shawn's first words were a fascinating study in emotional maturity - he asked in a very calm and collected tone of voice "Do you regret it?" Her answer to that question would tell him all he needs to know to make a decision to leave - or stay. Her answer was "I feel guilty" - it was probably not the answer he expected and maybe not the answer he wanted but it was an equally great answer.

So I wouldn't say that Kaitlyn's behavior was driven by fear of Shawn's reaction - it was driven by her guilt over what she'd done to someone she cared a great deal for, and her own fear that it could cost her what she really wanted out of the experience.

Also, one more thing to ponder... IF K was offered and accepted DWTS I cannot imagine S being able to handle it. One, the schedule and time away from him (but he may be able to rationalize that part because of the paycheck), two, all of the spotlight being on K, and three, the "romantic nature" that is involved with the performance of the dances.

I've seen nothing from Shawn that suggests he's so enamored of the spotlight that he would begrudge Kaitlyn a chance to do something she wants to do - I think he would be her biggest supporter so she could do it. As to how he would deal with her involvement in the "romantic" nature of DWTS - IMO Shawn would not have a problem with that. While some seem to see Shawn as a green-eyed jealous monster and others seem to jump on that bandwagon, I see Shawn as more of a big teddy bear who had no problems with Jared, Ben or any of the other guys dating Kaitlyn and making out with her - he would actually cheer them on if you watched the episodes closely. The only one Shawn has a problem with is Nick, and he had that problem long before Nick had sex with Kaitlyn or Shawn knew about it.

MiaHawk wrote:Isn't it reasonable to say that K's behavior after sex with N was all driven by her fear of S's reaction, including the possibility that he'd leave her?

Therefore, I think that it is reasonable to say that K's lack of including N in her blogs (which I do not read myself but am going only from the comments here) and her lack of interaction with N on SM (also going only by comments made here) is also due to her fear of S's reaction, including that he'd leave her.

Also, one more thing to ponder... IF K was offered and accepted DWTS I cannot imagine S being able to handle it. One, the schedule and time away from him (but he may be able to rationalize that part because of the paycheck), two, all of the spotlight being on K, and three, the "romantic nature" that is involved with the performance of the dances.

A lot of acting out of sexual and sensual feelings in those routines. IMO, S would blow a gasket. I really do. I don't think he has enough trust in him for that kind of a test. IMO neither K nor S are emotionally mature enough for a longterm committed relationship.

Personally I think the fear of being insecure with Shawn and him leaving her over Nick has been put to bed a long time ago, before they made a commitment to each other at the frc. Yeah, I think she was terrified he'd leave during the show, I don't think she has any fears about his current loyalty and commitment to her now. I don't see Nick playing any sort of role in their current relationship from Kait's sm and officially show sanctioned media. Jmo.

I agree! Nick knows this as well and has moved on. Shawn and kait appear to be just fine and apparently once they committed to each other at the FR ceremony, put everything else to rest. imo