Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #5

chasingpavements wrote:(snipped) I think that if Shawn was absolutely the one from the begining, no questions asked, she wouldn't have appeared that smitten when Nick came in NY, she wouldn't have had sex with him, and she wouldn't have kept him after she realized how much Shawn hated him and was actually ready to leave because of it. She would have let him go, no matter how much it pissed off the producers or hurt her reputation.

california90 wrote:
I was super excited haha. I thought at the time that K would be a better match than Andi. I think K brings the spunky, fun side that Nick LOVES... and she's very physical, which Nick likes to pursue, however I think Nick DOES need someone that connects with him also on a deeper, soul-like level. There is a reason why "he's less fun" or "more serious". He's deff a tough one to match IMO because he's a bit more complex than some of the other guys.  

chasingpavements wrote: I actually think that Nick needs someone like Andi, and that Andi needs someone like Nick (instead of the typical jock she goes for).

happygolucky wrote:I believe Kaitlyn isn't shallow or superficial, but she is simple and there's a difference.
It all comes down to personal priorities and lifestyle. What's important to you and what power of control do you have, what knowledge you possess and what you do about it? Do you try to find a meaning, search for understanding of things that surround you?
I live in a culture where the usual "dinner conversation" would be about politics, economy, society&ordinance, environment, ... by "Ian's standards" we are a family of deep thinkers.

What's the point of "talking" and "thinking" if you don't act on it, do something about it, make a change, create an opportunity and contribute to the better world?
It's just a waste of time and energy, it's not productive and it doesn't make you better than others.

My grandparents are simple people, who feed off their land that they cultivate and live on. I could judge them as being ignorant for not knowing about the political situation in the government, for not knowing the lobbyist and laws, for not knowing about the corruption in water/energy aggregation policy and could accuse them of making superficial choices when they cast their votes ... but that's because I'm involved in this world because of my career and lifestyle, not them, I have knowledge and motive to know those things and talk about it and do something about it. And if I don't do something about it, that's my ignorance.

So the real depth IMO is how people deal with the information they have, with the means they dispose of and with the opportunities that are available to them.

I may see Nick and Kaitlyn as 2 similar people in some regards, both deep thinkers for what is in their interest, but with 2 different lifestyles and therefor the priorities might not be aligned.
Kaitlyn choosing Shawn over Nick doesn't make her shallow, it just makes her a person who seeks a simple life, a companion who is aligned with her trajectory. And the world is complicated enough already, so I salute her decision.

Alanna wrote:I think Nick is looking for a more, hmmm, equal (?) relationship; otoh, Kaitlyn seems to be looking for a man where she can be super silly and carefree and he'll take care of both of them. Jmo.

Alanna wrote:I think Nick is looking for a more, hmmm, equal (?) relationship; otoh, Kaitlyn seems to be looking for a man where she can be super silly and carefree and he'll take care of both of them. Jmo.

Nibbles22 wrote:

Alanna wrote:I think Nick is looking for a more, hmmm, equal (?) relationship; otoh, Kaitlyn seems to be looking for a man where she can be super silly and carefree and he'll take care of both of them. Jmo.

I have yet to see Kaitlyn super silly and carefree with Shawn, but rather the opposite.  JMO, but he seems uptight, serious, jealous, and someone needing to be handled with kid gloves.  There is no zen in this relationship, based on the edit.

Alanna wrote:I think Nick is looking for a more, hmmm, equal (?) relationship; otoh, Kaitlyn seems to be looking for a man where she can be super silly and carefree and he'll take care of both of them. Jmo.

stuckinsc wrote:I agree with you as well Alanna, I am glad Kaitlyn found her happy and I don't think she and Nick would have been each other's happy. Like Nick told the guys he was lucky Andi chose Josh, I think in time he will see that he is lucky that Kaitlyn chose Shawn. When it is the right woman for Nick she will know and he won't be second choice