Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #5

reason wrote:Nick and Kaitlyn had been talking for a while before she got the bachelorette, he was the one she turn to in helping her making the decision so. 4 weeeks with Shawn verses a couple months with Nick and he is of no use to her?

Di_ATL wrote:

SueSt wrote:

Luvstruck wrote:I agree lleyki. The first spoiler of her choosing Noone would have been the wiser course for her to take. Sad she choose a guy who is constantly questioning her. Sorry, Kaitlyn. if he acts that way 95% of the time that is his true character coming out. Not just a couple of weeks on the show but for a lifetime, oh my how frustrating. As Nick told her he didn't want an "Exhausting" thing but that is exactly what she chose. Still can't comprehend it other than love is truly blind in her case especially!!!

TRUE this!  Luvstruck.  

IMO we haven't seen Shawn act that way with her 95% of the time.   Kaitlyn herself has said they have a deep connection from day one, they have indebt talks, she feels a certain with him and on more than one occassion has told him, he was the one or that she was falling in love with him too. We then on the other hand seen a few 3-5 min clips of him questioning her, to which we never saw their 6-7 hour discussion on his bed( confirmed by Ben something deeper happened) that lead S to feel a certain way. We saw an amazing 1 0n 1 date with them and having deep conversation, we seen him have an awesome SQT where he showed his family pics, we have seen other special moments between them and she in her blogs validates his feeling insecure becuase of things she has told him.
So what is Shawn true character, we dont really know other than a scripted show of what TPTB are showing us at the moment to keep their franchise and drama going.

On the other hand with Nick all I've see between them is them gropping on each, have sex, like to little bunnie rabbits in heat....is that supposed to me to believe he is the perfect guy for her?  

Personally i wish the first foiler remained true that she didnt pick either, and that all 3 have moved on from the show and are happy in the "REAL" world.      

happygolucky wrote:

isittrue wrote:Post-show, he just seems so different than last time. The change of appearance with defined muscles, beard, backward baseball hat make me feel like he is almost transformed into someone else to fit Kait's ideal. 

Isittrue, I don't think most of his post-show actions have anything to do with Kaitlyn (even the hat, which the guys all got in their gift-basket, like scarfs last year) ... including his "apparent" support. I believe he is making more of a case that could support his actions and his mistakes.

I actually agree with you on 1 thing, that I stood behind his choices 100% last season. Everything he did for me was justifiable and right, no matter how "inappropriate" it might had been. I got to know him at "his best" despite in most viewers eyes he was "at his worst".
This year I don't agree with all his choices and I can't support them. I believe they are major s***-ups, his mistakes and there's no-one to blame.
It starts with him participating in this show again and it continues with him sleeping with Kaitlyn after their 1st 1:1.
That's why I have nothing to say against Kaitlyn. She did her job ... and by now Nick should have learned what that job entails.
I admit I overestimated his intelligence last year ... and I hope this time he is at least conscious of the role he is playing.
I question the motive, like I would for all ... I hope he got a good bargain ... and I don't mean the Bach gig (I don't see it at all), but whatever comes later, I hope it was worth it. I have nothing against him capitalizing this "stint" for his better future. Actually I would say "it's about time!".

emusha wrote:I think as soon as K started grilling him about telling on her Nick knew that he was not top priority the same way he knew he was likely not top priority cos of the speech K gave at the beginning of the cocktail party. at least on the subconscious level I think that's why he cried...I think we then saw him talk himself back into remembering that if he's really going to give any of it a shot he has to go forward even while being scared just hoping that she can meet him where he was going...

chasingpavements wrote:

emusha wrote:I think as soon as K started grilling him about telling on her Nick knew that he was not top priority the same way he knew he was likely not top priority cos of the speech K gave at the beginning of the cocktail party. at least on the subconscious level I think that's why he cried...I think we then saw him talk himself back into remembering that if he's really going to give any of it a shot he has to go forward even while being scared just hoping that she can meet him where he was going...

Yup, I agree. He came into that conversation and was like "I just want to make sure you're okay and I'm feeling very vulnerable right now" and she responds to that by basically going "Don't tell anyone about that horrible mistake I made with you". How can you even develop a relationship with someone who has that little trust in you and thinks that you're of such weak character? I do think that she was just checked out and emotionally exhausted that week, because she didn't show too mush emotion in her conversations with Ben or Shawn at the cocktail party either, but still, it must have sucked.

It will be interesting to see if we NY Nick/Kaitlyn again or if it's totally obvious she only has eyes for Shawn after this week.

OnePromise wrote:Yes. Please.  I would like the see fun K with Nick again.  Just fun K in general would be good.  The episodes have been so heavy and exhausting to watch... I can't imagine what it felt like to live it.  And I'm not even an emotional person.

If we only see Kaitlyn in love with Shawn I will be suspicious of the spoiled ending...
Would they really hand the ending so clearly to the audience with three weeks left?

rosesrREd wrote:

OnePromise wrote:Yes. Please.  I would like the see fun K with Nick again.  Just fun K in general would be good.  The episodes have been so heavy and exhausting to watch... I can't imagine what it felt like to live it.  And I'm not even an emotional person.

If we only see Kaitlyn in love with Shawn I will be suspicious of the spoiled ending...
Would they really hand the ending so clearly to the audience with three weeks left?

I said that at the beginning when we heard K say she was falling in love with Shawn. They usually don't let that slip from lead so early on, and it had me questioning everything. It could just be foreshadowing to what we are seeing now with Shawn, or maybe something else.

Has anyone else thought they made Nick go to the show this season as a payback for the airplane video?

GuardianAngel wrote:The difference IMO between Shawn and Brooks is Shawn wants to be Kaitlyns F1, Brooks wasn't into Des.

If we weren't spoiled, IMO we would have figured out long ago that Shawn was the F1 and RS was wrong. We were already on the RS is wrong track.