The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 6 Jun 22nd - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

happygolucky wrote:

umngirl wrote:

happygolucky wrote:IWhat I find interestingly sad is how much Nick's presence is benefiting TPTB and "blinding the viewers" about the other part of the story that wasn't shown or even "alluded" (but 1 article referred to) ... Kaitlyn having sex with Shawn before Nick.
Still Nick gets the hate, Kaitlyn is shamed ... and Shawn is a poor, innocent guy in this story.

Is the bolded a known fact? I didn't hear that said but I was only half watching with the soccer game on.

I didn't hear Nick say that he had sex with Kaitlyn either.

I only heard him say he talked with her. (oh yes, there were voices/noise coming from the room - but that isn't telling)

I also heard Shawn say that he talked with Kaitlyn in those private 6 hours laying on the bed.

So that's my conclusion. Or they both talked ... or they both "deed" it.

Only the media, mags, TPTB scoop/spoilers keep repeating the story that Kaitlyn had sex with Nick.
And the only "confirmation" he ever actually said/write was with the tweet that he hasn't kissed&told.

Nick didn't have to say he had sex with Kaitlyn, it was and is rather obvious. Just because Shawn had some time with Kaitlyn off camera doesn't mean sex happened. JMO

AllAboutLove wrote:

Bet2Win wrote:Am I the only one that doesn't find Shawn attractive?

Nope. Not alone. If he didn't look like the lead actor in the quintessential romantic move The Notebook who knows how attractive he would look? He is a dime a dozen imho with a good body from being a personal trainer.

I didn't see the Notebook, maybe that's the difference.

I am really looking forward to this season's AFTR for a couple of reasons: (1) Will Kaitlyn still be with Shawn at the AFTR (2) CH's questioning of all parties: Nick, Shawn and Kaitlyn. It's going to be a mega fest, can't wait

For completely disrespecting Shawn.

I'm sorry but how did Kaitlyn disrespect Shawn and if her having sex with Nick pre-FS is just so awful, why isn't it that she disrespected all the guys left instead of just Shawn? Once again, he came on a show where he knew he would be competing with other guys for a woman. Until she made her final choice, she was beholden to none of them which means she was free to do whatever with either guy.

That statement feeds right into the same entitlement and possessiveness I saw in Shawn tonight. Just because Shawn felt like he was it for Kaitlyn didn't make her his girlfriend and she belonged to him and him alone. No, she was the lead and still exploring other relationships with other people as was her right. And again, I'm over this notion that Kaitlyn committed some sin against perfect, saintly Shawn that she needs to hang her head in shame over.

I wonder if this is a negative consequence of watching a season spoiled. The snapchat drama has made it seem certain that she picked Shawn and so some are watching the show through the lens that she picked Shawn and is with him. And so I almost feel like some are watching this like she was cheating on Shawn and forgetting that when all this went down, Shawn was still just another contestant competing for Kaitlyn like all the other guys. Yes, she may have felt more for him, indicated to him that she felt more for him but the simple fact was she didn't belong to him, was not his girlfriend and wasn't obligated to only be with him, period. She did nothing wrong and owes no one an apology in my opinion.

I am also looking forward to all the blogs tomorrow.

Bet2Win wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:

Bet2Win wrote:Am I the only one that doesn't find Shawn attractive?

Nope. Not alone. If he didn't look like the lead actor in the quintessential romantic move The Notebook who knows how attractive he would look? He is a dime a dozen imho with a good body from being a personal trainer.

I didn't see the Notebook, maybe that's the difference.

Bet2Win, I hope you treat yourself to that wonderful movie. I did see it, and that could be exactly why I think Shawn is attractive. Ryan Gosling was so hot in The Notebook.

happygolucky wrote:It's known that TPTB decides what to show and what not to ... for the purpose of the story.
This season Nick is presented as a "lust" guy.
He also comes with a disclaimer "he outed Andi last year, so better watch out".
So with all the options what TPTB decided to show us was:
Kaitlyn had sex with Nick and her "inner-conversation" (read: producer's touch) about fearing what could happen if Nick outs her too.

What I find interestingly sad is how much Nick's presence is benefiting TPTB and "blinding the viewers" about the other part of the story that wasn't shown or even "alluded" (but 1 article referred to) ... Kaitlyn having sex with Shawn before Nick.
Still Nick gets the hate, Kaitlyn is shamed ... and Shawn is a poor, innocent guy in this story.

I found that interesting too. It's funny after Joe tells Nick that Kaitlyn invited Shawn for off-camera time, he could have totally acted jealous and possessive and sl*t-shamed her. Instead, he said that he totally respected her right to do that. Whereas, Kaitlyn simply gives Jared a ROSE (not sex), and Shawn goes crazy and accuses Kaitlyn of future-banging two guys. And, Nick's the gross one? I don't get that.

chasingpavements wrote:

happygolucky wrote:It's known that TPTB decides what to show and what not to ... for the purpose of the story.
This season Nick is presented as a "lust" guy.
He also comes with a disclaimer "he outed Andi last year, so better watch out".
So with all the options what TPTB decided to show us was:
Kaitlyn had sex with Nick and her "inner-conversation" (read: producer's touch) about fearing what could happen if Nick outs her too.

What I find interestingly sad is how much Nick's presence is benefiting TPTB and "blinding the viewers" about the other part of the story that wasn't shown or even "alluded" (but 1 article referred to) ... Kaitlyn having sex with Shawn before Nick.
Still Nick gets the hate, Kaitlyn is shamed ... and Shawn is a poor, innocent guy in this story.

I found that interesting too. It's funny after Joe tells Nick that Kaitlyn invited Shawn for off-camera time, he could have totally acted jealous and possessive and sl*t-shamed her. Instead, he said that he totally respected her right to do that. Whereas, Kaitlyn simply gives Jared a ROSE (not sex), and Shawn goes crazy and accuses Kaitlyn of future-banging two guys. And, Nick's the gross one? I don't get that.

Re the bolded, because once a villain, always a villain in the minds of many, still a lot of folks holding what happened last season against Nick IMO. Not that Nick cares though.

relaxing wrote:I've never disliked Nick until tonight.  He needs to stop trying so hard to sexually seduce women into bed if he wants an actual relationship with someone beyond sex.  Such cheese-tactic lines.    And the way he retold his date to the guys, so,condescending.

So disappointed in Kaitlyn.  Not for the sex itself.  For the circumstances surrounding it.  For completely disrespecting Shawn. And for turning a whole season to crap.   I miss my fun summer escape.  This is not it.

I love Shawn and don't fault his reaction.  Obviously he can't handle the feelings here, I wouldn't be able to either.  TBH, I wish Kaitlyn would pick Nick or no one.  Shawn deserves better than having his friends and family see his relationship start out like this.

Kaitlyn was the one whom invited Nick to her bedroom not the other way around and he said really? watch it again or wait until it goes to youtube to see it.

chasingpavements wrote:

happygolucky wrote:It's known that TPTB decides what to show and what not to ... for the purpose of the story.
This season Nick is presented as a "lust" guy.
He also comes with a disclaimer "he outed Andi last year, so better watch out".
So with all the options what TPTB decided to show us was:
Kaitlyn had sex with Nick and her "inner-conversation" (read: producer's touch) about fearing what could happen if Nick outs her too.

What I find interestingly sad is how much Nick's presence is benefiting TPTB and "blinding the viewers" about the other part of the story that wasn't shown or even "alluded" (but 1 article referred to) ... Kaitlyn having sex with Shawn before Nick.
Still Nick gets the hate, Kaitlyn is shamed ... and Shawn is a poor, innocent guy in this story.

I found that interesting too. It's funny after Joe tells Nick that Kaitlyn invited Shawn for off-camera time, he could have totally acted jealous and possessive and sl*t-shamed her. Instead, he said that he totally respected her right to do that. Whereas, Kaitlyn simply gives Jared a ROSE (not sex), and Shawn goes crazy and accuses Kaitlyn of future-banging two guys. And, Nick's the gross one? I don't get that.

This, but don't you know, Shawn is just an emotional guy who had real feelings for her that she disrespected by being with Nick and needs to apologize to him for. And Nick is creepy and gross for making tweets actually showing support to Kaitlyn.

This is so sad to me. When will people let go? This is why I pray to all TPTB on this show not to have past F1's or 2's be the next TB. Too much recycling and these people need to move on with their lives. What happened to being grown men?

chasingpavements wrote:

happygolucky wrote:It's known that TPTB decides what to show and what not to ... for the purpose of the story.
This season Nick is presented as a "lust" guy.
He also comes with a disclaimer "he outed Andi last year, so better watch out".
So with all the options what TPTB decided to show us was:
Kaitlyn had sex with Nick and her "inner-conversation" (read: producer's touch) about fearing what could happen if Nick outs her too.

What I find interestingly sad is how much Nick's presence is benefiting TPTB and "blinding the viewers" about the other part of the story that wasn't shown or even "alluded" (but 1 article referred to) ... Kaitlyn having sex with Shawn before Nick.
Still Nick gets the hate, Kaitlyn is shamed ... and Shawn is a poor, innocent guy in this story.

I found that interesting too. It's funny after Joe tells Nick that Kaitlyn invited Shawn for off-camera time, he could have totally acted jealous and possessive and sl*t-shamed her. Instead, he said that he totally respected her right to do that. Whereas, Kaitlyn simply gives Jared a ROSE (not sex), and Shawn goes crazy and accuses Kaitlyn of future-banging two guys. And, Nick's the gross one? I don't get that.

Yup. He is angry over a hypothetical. How is he going to react when he learns it really happened?