The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 6 Jun 22nd - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

IMO, there was no doubt on Emily with Brad, Jef with Emily, etc. the story always seems to be more about the reactions of the F2. The viewer being surprised that Chantel, Arie, etc. was not picked and the fallout. There seems to be three storyboards they recycle. Lead ends up with villian (Vienna, Courtney); Lead is obvious who they like from the beginning and the focus is on the drama ( like this season with supporting cast) or Lead ends up with nobody /the final 2/3 is the fan favorite and goes on to be a lead.

Nick is really the sex guy. You all remember that blue shoes coming out of the room in the hallway where kaitlyn is? Nick just post a workout photo it is in the fan thread he is wearing that blue shoes.

Can we have the sc and his shoes side by side. It may not be the same

The shoes in the hallway are different. The shape of his leg/calf/ankle looks similar though but that is really reaching. Still think it is Nick, imo that is sexguy. Will have to see Monday.

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Yeah definitely not the same shoes but with all the reports there is no denying Nick is the sex guy. Will just have to watch on Monday to see how it all went down

Lucas15 wrote:IMO Shawn's "statement" that Kaitlyn's actions don't match her words isn't just about the "other guy" - it's about any other guy. If Shawn believes that Kaitlyn has said things to him that indicate an intent to choose him then anything she does that seems to suggest otherwise is going to cause him to question her actions.

From what I've heard and also seen, the producers want everybody off balance at the end. They want F2 to think they are F1 and F1 to question if they are F1 no matter what the lead may have said to them. The lead is constantly trying to give the show what they tell her they want and still keep who she really wants invested and around through it all. In the past leads have gone to some extremes to keep their F1 in the game - Ashley's season comes to mind and she did that very effectively with JP. IMO this has little to do with Shawn and more to do with how the producers manipulate the cast and that's the underlying issue.

Imho, the point is that it is Kaitlyn's job for her actions not to match her words. It is the show. Shawn's behavior imo is entitled - acting as if he is the only one there and immature games of "the other guy" are better left on the middle school playground.

Kaitlyn is the lead and questioning her decisions on camera is undermining her as lead. No matter what TPTB tell the planned-F1 somehow other F1s have managed not to call out the lead on camera. And other guys who are honestly interested in Kaitlyn respect her decisions enough to not call her out for doing her job - case in point, Jared.

So for me, imho, given that this is the show -- one woman many men -- there is not much to blame the producers for when it comes to Shawn's lack of understanding of how this show works. If he is upset at anyone he should take it out on the producers, not the person he is so-called in love with who is doing her job. This is Kaitlyn's show, not his. jmo

AllAboutLove wrote:

Lucas15 wrote:IMO Shawn's "statement" that Kaitlyn's actions don't match her words isn't just about the "other guy" - it's about any other guy. If Shawn believes that Kaitlyn has said things to him that indicate an intent to choose him then anything she does that seems to suggest otherwise is going to cause him to question her actions.

From what I've heard and also seen, the producers want everybody off balance at the end. They want F2 to think they are F1 and F1 to question if they are F1 no matter what the lead may have said to them. The lead is constantly trying to give the show what they tell her they want and still keep who she really wants invested and around through it all. In the past leads have gone to some extremes to keep their F1 in the game - Ashley's season comes to mind and she did that very effectively with JP. IMO this has little to do with Shawn and more to do with how the producers manipulate the cast and that's the underlying issue.

Imho, the point is that it is Kaitlyn's job for her actions not to match her words. It is the show. Shawn's behavior imo is entitled - acting as if he is the only one there and immature games of "the other guy" are better left on the middle school playground.

Kaitlyn is the lead and questioning her decisions on camera is undermining her as lead. No matter what TPTB tell the planned-F1 somehow other F1s have managed not to call out the lead on camera. And other guys who are honestly interested in Kaitlyn respect her decisions enough to not call her out for doing her job - case in point, Jared.

So for me, imho, given that this is the show -- one woman many men -- there is not much to blame the producers for when it comes to Shawn's lack of understanding of how this show works. If he is upset at anyone he should take it out on the producers, not the person he is so-called in love with who is doing her job. This is Kaitlyn's show, not his. jmo

What I saw is that all of them questioned her except for 1 or 2, but he is the only who went to her to confront her, nothing wrong with that. Now, it would have being a problem if that's all he talked about during the date. He just needed some reassurance from K, and all was well after he got it, well, I guess we ll know how well he s feeling this Monday after the sexgate.

The description of the episode seems to have three "salty" Shawn moments:

1) Someone comforts Kaitlyn after Ian leaves, and the "jealous frontrunner" gets pissed.  (Which is a stupid reason to get pissed; also, why do I think this is Ben H? Just seems like something he would do. Although it could be Nick or Cupcake or Ben Z. or any of the guys really)
2) K gives Jared the GDR, and Shawn gets pissed.  (Which is a stupid reason to get pissed)
3) Shawn separately confronts Kaitlyn after she gets back from the date with Jared and shares some "shocking" secret.  (Which is obnoxious, since she picked Jared for a reason and has every right to)

So I don't even think there is going to be any Shawn/sexgate/Nick drama next week, minus maybe a comment about Nick getting the 1-on-1 and hoping he goes home or something.  There is the other cap of Kaitlyn in the gray t-shirt and Shawn in the red and more crying over sexgate, but something tells me that, the 2-on-1 with Joe/JJ, and the Dublin-RC all happen in episode 7.

kimberlyg wrote:The description of the episode seems to have three "salty" Shawn moments:

1) Someone comforts Kaitlyn after Ian leaves, and the "jealous frontrunner" gets pissed.  (Which is a stupid reason to get pissed; also, why do I think this is Ben H?  Just seems like something he would do.  Although it could be Nick or Cupcake or Ben Z. or any of the guys really)
2) K gives Jared the GDR, and Shawn gets pissed.  (Which is a stupid reason to get pissed)
3) Shawn separately confronts Kaitlyn after she gets back from the date with Jared and shares some "shocking" secret.  (Which is obnoxious, since she picked Jared for a reason and has every right to)

So I don't even think there is going to be any Shawn/sexgate/Nick drama next week, minus maybe a comment about Nick getting the 1-on-1 and hoping he goes home or something.  There is the other cap of Kaitlyn in the gray t-shirt and Shawn in the red and more crying over sexgate, but something tells me that, the 2-on-1 with Joe/JJ, and the Dublin-RC all happen in episode 7.

Yup, IA. Likely another cliffhanger or some such thing. Either way, if Shawn is always confronting Kaitlyn no matter the guy maybe TPTB think this is romantic? In real life, I would run for the hills if a guy acted like him. For the show it probably just fits the storyboard ending and how to get there.

Maggenzm wrote:What I saw is that all of them questioned her except for 1 or 2, but he is the only who went to her to confront her, nothing wrong with that. Now, it would have being a problem if that's all he talked about during the date. He just needed some reassurance from K, and all was well after he got it, well, I guess we ll know how well he s feeling this Monday after the sexgate.

Yes. IMO Tanner was the most articulate and Joshua the stupidest although his intentions might have been good. The more significant issue to me was not what Shawn did but how all the guys that questioned Kaitlyn when it was just the guys got lockjaw when Kaitlyn confronted them after Joshua told her mostly the truth. Shawn kept pretty quiet when the guys were complaining but was the only one who brought the issue up in private with Kaitlyn and IMO was the most mature in dealing with that situation.

I don't think that Shawn will confront Kaitlyn over sex-gate this Monday because I don't think he will find out about it yet. But because of the way the show set this up Kaitlyn will worry that he found out from Nick during her concert date with Jared which IMO is exactly what the producers wanted.

I think the shoes are those of a producer. If you look at Kaitlyn's tagged photos ion Instagram, there is a pic of a producer with those shoes.

Yes.

If the blue shoes was a cast member there is no WAY that production staff would be directly behind them in the hallway ruining the shot.

They only break that 'wall' when drama is going on that we can't see. (Like when the producer jumped out a window and broke his ankles). The cast member (or someone else) is in the room with Kaitlyn and the production staff is in the hallway filming it for the sake of drama.