Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 11 - Fan Forum - ***SLEUTHING - SPOILERS*** - Thread #14

[Guest]

The first thing we hear her say

"I don't understand, it just happened" (voice over and she's crying)

"I don't think I'm a bad person, it doesn't me ashamed of myself but I do have other relationships and one of the ose relationships went too far too fast, that was something "I did, I made a huge mistake" (all a voice over and her voice is very calm)

"I just feel so bad" (we see her saying that and she's crying gray striped shirt)

"I think this will be the most important conversation I'll have" (voice over, the SC of her standing on the balcony)

"It's hard for me to admit it, but we had sex (all voice over, the scene of her sitting in leather chair and the guys in the yellow sofa)

"I made a mistake", (voice over)
"that doesn't make me a bad person"(we actually see her saying that, she's in the gray shirt crying)

Looking at this, she might not be crying about the sex guy, the crying could really be about anything.

[OnePromise]

Here I found it and moved to s more appropriate spot.

OMG you're so right! it's totally dubbed in ...she says "it's hard for me to admit" and the "we had sex" bit is dubbed in her lips move differently for part of the time... wow! I wonder if this whole sex-gate is blown wayyyyy more out of proportion than we even anticipate

I do think the whole sex thing has been blown waaaay out of proportion as you said emusha.  The spliced, cut up preview is one clue.  But, I have also been thinking that it is hard to reconcile Kaitlyn's full blown smile and dipping kiss with Nick at the beginning of his 1:1 if she is feeling guilty about having sex with him or anybody else.  She is a pretty good actress to be able to look like she is calmly enjoying Nick so much while feeling that much guilt about sleeping with him or anyone else.
 And other than the guy in the bed who appears most likely to be Shawn, all the other intimate moments later in the season shown in the preview (overnight dates and after) are with Nick ( mostly not showing who it really is).  So that leads me to believe that she is pretty comfortable being intimate with Nick pretty far into the season.  Likely after she has had sex with whatever guy she does have sex with.  If guilt played such a large role, I would think the intimacy with Nick would cool off a little.  We are not shown that many intimate moments with other guys after when the sex is supposed to have happened, so I would say it is most likely that Nick is the sex guy.  
They had sex, enjoyed it, the relationship is on with Nick. Then she starts to feel guilty that her relationships with the other guys are not moving as quickly as it is with Nick and decides that she needs to tell some of the guys that are important to her the truth and send the others home.  No big deal to her.  Honesty and truth are important to Kaitlyn as she has said a few times in interviews.  However, this would be a big deal to the guys leading to the crazy sound bits and clips of tearful, angry guys. (If in these clips the guys are indeed responding to the sex stuff and the editors are not just clipping in random stuff to blow it waaaay out of proportion again.)

[notarose]

Onepromise, I like the fact that Nick and Kaitlyn's dates are ordinary tourist stuff. It's what real couples do and the activities allow for a lot of conversation time, even if we never get to hear the convos. These kinds of dates might be boring for a lot of viewers but I like them.  I found Becca's dates very realistic and appreciated her more as a RL person because of the lowkey date activities. Plus, while filming it really does give the couple time to build a relationship.

*I deleted a bunch of my post because it was silly season*

The arrival of Nick
I'll be watching for who steps up their game as a bid for next TB.  The writing is on the wall that Kaitlyn is taking a huge risk with all the guys by letting Nick stay. I think some power players are going to be making moves on Kaitlyn purely because that's the game they think they have that best chance of winning.  IMO that will mean moves that have been received well by viewers in the past and led to more fans swooning will be used - the "tried & true" approach. Be ready to check off items from your list of past moves 

[remockered]

Interestingly, Nick clipped the Kaitlyn statement off the instagram from his friend ( collage with kids), however the full comment is still on the friebd's page. There has been a lot of deleting between the two the last couple of days, just do not know why. Either Nick left in Ireland, as previously surmised or he made it to the end. If he knew Kailyn that well, maybe he knew she was not giving a proposal. I think the whisper in her hear out of camera hearing in the clip where she meets him outside is interesting. I tend to believe they are in cahoots, for whatever reason.

[nutty1]

Interestingly, Nick clipped the Kaitlyn statement off the instagram from his friend ( collage with kids), however the full comment is still on the friebd's page.  There has been a lot of deleting between the two the last couple of days, just do not know why.  Either Nick left in Ireland, as previously surmised or he made it to the end.  If he knew Kailyn that well, maybe he knew she was not giving a proposal.  I think the whisper in her hear out of camera hearing in the clip where she meets him outside is interesting.  I tend to believe they are in cahoots, for whatever reason.

I think someone said there wasn't enough room on Twitter for all the words to fit, it allows less characters than IG.

[GuardianAngel]

Interestingly, Nick clipped the Kaitlyn statement off the instagram from his friend ( collage with kids), however the full comment is still on the friebd's page.  There has been a lot of deleting between the two the last couple of days, just do not know why.  Either Nick left in Ireland, as previously surmised or he made it to the end.  If he knew Kailyn that well, maybe he knew she was not giving a proposal.  I think the whisper in her hear out of camera hearing in the clip where she meets him outside is interesting.  I tend to believe they are in cahoots, for whatever reason.

I think someone said there wasn't enough room on Twitter for all the words to fit, it allows less characters than IG.

I tested it out.ETA: here is the sequence. You can tell the poster took out words to shorten the tweet.

Nick Viall retweeted
Chase Waterfall ‏@nfro24  Jun 2
@viallnicholas28 is versatile...puts 1 to sleep, staring contest w/ the other, and snuggles with the last. #teamnick

nfro24
2 days ago
@nick_viall28 puts one Froemming to sleep, gets in a staring contest with the other, and makes the last want to snuggle...wouldn't be surprised if Kaitlyn keeps him around. #teamnick

[Guest]

The early sex guy is the sex guy before the fantasy suite she had sex once that is pre FS not twice.

[MonicaJM2001]

The early sex guy is the sex guy before the fantasy suite she had sex once that is pre FS not twice.

That's how I understand it as well.

[Kashathediva]

The early sex guy is the sex guy before the fantasy suite she had sex once that is pre FS not twice.

My head is whirling. I read it a few times and I'm still dizzy. 

[SueSt]

The early sex guy is the sex guy before the fantasy suite she had sex once that is pre FS not twice.

My head is whirling. I read it a few times and I'm still dizzy. 

[notarose]

The early sex guy is the sex guy before the fantasy suite she had sex once that is pre FS not twice.

My head is whirling. I read it a few times and I'm still dizzy. 

    Well that's what I get for not reading other threads.    That was my takeaway from the promos and interviews 
Too bad, I thought it was a season of musical beds with one premature ejection ... and even had a great YouTube vid song picked out to hop in & out to.   Disappointed now. 

  Still stand by the idea that Nick will walk if she has sex with someone then tells him.  It would be the equivalent of her voting for someone else in a love election. Not a match in terms of loyalty & faithfulness - spouse qualities. My tv boyfriend deserves to be number one mind, body, and soul.
IMO she has a right to make whatever choices she takes ownership of.  If she feels strong enough to have sex then she should remain loyal to that person because obvs the other guys didn't make a strong enough impression on her if she was so inclined.

[notarose]

Would someone double check?
It appears that Kaitlyn no longer follows Nick on SM - both Twitter & IG.

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