The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 4 Jun 8th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I am in the minority of folks that have no ick factor towards any of these peeps, don't know them & will prolly never meet them in my lifetime    It's all entertainment for this series as quietpal posted upthread

GuardianAngel wrote:A lot of comments indicating they feel icky because Nick is back. I feel icky every time I think of Andi using him to her advantage in the FS knowing there will be someone new the next day or so.

I don't find Nick attractive at all. His actions are as ugly as his looks. Kaitlyn is just a dime a dozen girl, with no career, average looking, and a loosey- goosey demeanor. If you add all this up, it's a CESSPOOL. Yuck.

On the other hand what should we expect? It's a reality TV show with all the characters wanting to get famous and the drama opens up doors to future gigs. Having said that, I still prefer watching pretty people, not second rate ugly, soft, semi-porn characters. Just sayin.

For me, Andi is irrelevant this season. And my thinking Nick is slimy and gross has nothing to do with them just having sex in the FS. Just like I don't think Arie, Ben, and countless other f2s who've done the same are gross (though I do find having sex with multiple people in a row gross in and of itself). But it's obvious which one of those guys listed wants to be known and pegged as that guy, and he's let his image run on it really. Personally, I think he loves it and that he's one of the more attention seeking guys we've seen in a while on this show.

Different strokes for different folks. I'd much rather watch a lead who is honest, and not fake. I'd much rather see a real connection with the lead and a contestant then one who tries to say all the right things whether I feel they are good looking or not. Although I find Nick very handsome, I don't judge people by their looks.

The poorly dressed client, who hasn't had a haircut in months and dirty fingernails, is worth $980,000 in stocks and bonds. True story. You never know.

The connection when they met was real IMO. Maybe K didn't have any connections with the others because she was still thinking of Nick and what they shared before she went on the show.

I don't have an ick factor towards anyone (well, maybe JJ ), but I also refrain from putting any of them on a pedestal and acting like they have no faults or never screw up. And I try to be objective in seeing both sides of a situation, since very little is black and white, but more likely, some shade of grey. Especially with all the BS that goes on with this show.

Back to the episode- I agree that Kaitlyn, in comparison to other seasons, hasn't seemed to connect too much with any of the other guys, which made her immediate chemistry with Nick that much more noticeable. It also seems like she hasn't spent a lot of time with the guys either individually or even in group settings up to this point. Only 3 solo dates, and most of the dates, with the exception of last night's with Jared, have involved too many "distractions" in the name of entertainment/humiliation to encourage a lot of serious conversation, at least from what we've been shown. Was it done deliberately because the producers knew from the get go that the goal was to bring Nick on to really shake things up, and they needed to make sure Kaitlyn didn't really fall for any of the other guys before that happened? Who knows, but I suspect things went down pretty much the way the producers, if not the viewers, wanted them to this season.

Ariela wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:A lot of comments indicating they feel icky because Nick is back. I feel icky every time I think of Andi using him to her advantage in the FS knowing there will be someone new the next day or so.

I don't find Nick attractive at all. His actions are as ugly as his looks. Kaitlyn is just a dime a dozen girl, with no career, average looking, and a loosey- goosey demeanor. If you add all this up, it's a CESSPOOL. Yuck.

On the other hand what should we expect? It's a reality TV show with all the characters wanting to get famous and the  drama opens up doors to future gigs. Having said that, I still prefer watching pretty people, not second rate ugly, soft, semi-porn characters. Just sayin.

I have not said much, due to each poster's freedom of speech.  I dated many handsome men, only to find out that they did not have much substance.  OTOH, many men others would dismiss on looks alone are some of the most multifaceted people I know.  What I find interesting, and a tad alarming, is the hatred spewed toward any person who has been " characterized" by a reality show.  Unless someone has real life experience with anyone on a reality show, I do not believe they really know that person.  Everyone is allowed to express their opinions on this board, but I feel sad at some of the demeaning comments made that relatives will see about their loved ones. For instance, I am not personally attracted to Shawn, but I see no reason to tear apart his looks, personality, or question his motives.  I do not know him.  If I find any show to be a cesspool, I am grateful I have a remote.  I just change the channel and it does not affect my world.  It is, after all, only television, IMHO.

Ironcat, you make some valid, interesting points.

I am going to give him a chance and see his interactions with the guys and Kait in the rest of the episodes. But the previews and little interaction last night wasn't doing it for me. Except for that first kiss which I thought was cute. I wish he'd just let loose and be himself, because his alter ego is creepy and difficult to watch .

Not judging anyone and I don't even know if this is acceptable to post, but what I've found is that it's VERY easy to forget that these are real people and not created characters . Even if they opened the door to criticism, by going on tv, they are REAL people. Most are not bad people , the were just edited that way.

remockered wrote:

Ariela wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:A lot of comments indicating they feel icky because Nick is back. I feel icky every time I think of Andi using him to her advantage in the FS knowing there will be someone new the next day or so.

I don't find Nick attractive at all. His actions are as ugly as his looks. Kaitlyn is just a dime a dozen girl, with no career, average looking, and a loosey- goosey demeanor. If you add all this up, it's a CESSPOOL. Yuck.

On the other hand what should we expect? It's a reality TV show with all the characters wanting to get famous and the  drama opens up doors to future gigs. Having said that, I still prefer watching pretty people, not second rate ugly, soft, semi-porn characters. Just sayin.

I have not said much, due to each poster's freedom of speech.  I dated many handsome men, only to find out that they did not have much substance.  OTOH, many men others would dismiss on looks alone are some of the most multifaceted people I know.  What I find interesting, and a tad alarming, is the hatred spewed toward any person who has been " characterized" by a reality show.  Unless someone has real life experience with anyone on a reality show, I do not believe they really know that person. Everyone is allowed to express their opinions on this board, but I feel sad at some of the demeaning comments made that relatives will see about their loved ones. For instance, I am not personally attracted to Shawn, but I see no reason to tear apart his looks, personality, or question his motives.  I do not know him.  If I find any show to be a cesspool, I am grateful I have a remote.  I just change the channel and it does not affect my world.  It is, after all, only television.

It is primarily for this reason that fan threads exist. 
When this forum was first created on 03/23/11, it was a forum for sleuthing, spoiling, discussing and yes, snarking. Fan threads were created as an after thought out of respect for fans and as a safe haven for fanning. The forum site rules hopefully reflect such. 
I, personally, am not telling anyone which threads to visit/post and which to avoid as that is a personal choice and everyone is welcome in any thread.

Point taken. IMHO, there is a difference between snarking and spewing vindictive, hateful, diatribes, but off to the fan threads I will go. I love snark, even if it is directed toward those characters I like better than others.

I get your point, remockered, I do. :Nod:  
There are cast I like, others not so much, none I really fan/love and only maybe one or two I strongly dislike. 
However, regardless of my personal feelings, freedom of speech toward cast (as long as it remains within the site rules) is king on this site. Our site founders had/have strong feelings about this. 

bleuberry wrote:For me, Andi is irrelevant this season. And my thinking Nick is slimy and gross has nothing to do with them just having sex in the FS. Just like I don't think Arie, Ben, and countless other f2s who've done the same are gross (though I do find having sex with multiple people in a row gross in and of itself). But it's obvious which one of those guys listed wants to be known and pegged as that guy, and he's let his image run on it really. Personally, I think he loves it and that he's one of the more attention seeking guys we've seen in a while on this show.

So after he finished his stint on Andi's season he went back to work and lived his normal life. He never once tried to profit off his time on the show and wished others the best never saying a cruel thing. He did the round of interviews he had to do then faded away. He lived his life in Chigago and stayed away from the limelight. Sorry but I do not see how he is one of the ones that is seeking attention. JMO