Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion

nutty1 wrote:

notarose wrote:Dylan, in his interview, said that when there were 11 guys left he, Chris, and Brian were told one of them would likely be the next Bach and that Josh would probably be F1.  This leads me to conclude that Andi probably knew her final 4 and that their parents were made aware there was likely going to be a HTD.

Nick came in when there were 11 so if the pattern holds true, he was likely 1 of Kaitlyn's probably final 4 at that point and the Vialls were contacted.  I think this because the radio spot says "a few weeks ago". 

Would love it to be true though.  Fingers crossed that Nick & Kaitlyn are building a relationship.

I listened to the interview last week and I do not remember Dylan specially saying 11 were left. Doesn't mean he didn't say it, but i just don't remember him being that specific.

  I took the "11" from someone else's post instead of going back myself to re-listen. Without going back to listen again,    it could have been as late as the last epi he was in.

reason wrote:I take it Nick has never met Kaitlyn in person before he when on her show and if he gets to final 4, the if he makes it to final 3 count him as the winner.  Just my intutition talking.  He is not intended to be the bachelor so he will be the winner.  JMO of course

Based on their twitter interactions and the fact that Nick was in NYC right after kaitlyn went there for GMAs and right after a vacation in LA for him + the complete 360 of the tone of their twitter flirting changing -- I still really believe that they actually met and hung out and maybe even sharleen and andy were involved...maybe they didn't get private time but i def think they met...

in any case -- I don't necessarily see him as automatic F1 if he's in F3... IMHO it would depend on what connections Kaitlyn has developed and how compatible she seems/ how much chemistry she has with the other guy(s) on the top of her list... not to take away from the F3 position at all just a -- she might have quality chemistry with more than one of the guys...

I'll say that with a bit of a caveat -- generally speaking women on the bachette are MUCH more focused on a particular guy than what seems to be the case for the guys on the bach who can range from fully confused to somewhat confused

take jason, sean (confessing feelings to lindsay), chris S (completely taken by becca),
whereas girls generally have a strong focus on one guy and only some "feelings" only for a F2 guy vs. guys tend to connect strongly with with their f3 - ashley , jillian, deanna (graham), Andi, Ali etc

don't think that's the edit but -- based on that logic -- if nick makes it to F3 then he has a very high (higher chance than for the bach or greater than >33%) of being F1

^ adding to 
The fact that she welcomed him to join in epi 4 and the speculation that he may have received the epi 5 GD also strongly favours Nick.  IMO both show strong interest and intention on Kaitlyn's part at the get-go.  She basically validated her interest in him and didn't let outside influences, like "what will the other guys think", sway her.

reason wrote:

notarose wrote:W

emusha wrote:

ohh awesome thanks pitci!



i'll post what I was gonna post originally -- F4 means the chemistry is real between them which is great cos remote/twitter flirting etc. vs. in person is a world of difference - that bodes VERY well for nick in my books :Nod: that both of them are feeling it and the intangibles are there which we didn't know/have confirmation of

what I was also gonna say is that kaitlyn would be adored by his fam and I do think she would be totally into them and their chaos just based on her personality.... I think she's much better of a fit with his family than Andi was who's much more wound up and "controlling" -- I can see Kaitlyn really just flowing with their vibe and gelling well with them including Bella who I'm excited to see again one year older and wiser

  To the bolded.
Chris, Maria t., and I think it's James Viall already follow Kaitlyn on Twitter and given what we know about Kaitlyn & Nick's tweet flirting, that has to count.  "Into them & their chaos" - wonderful phrase. I could definitely see that as well.  And... she must have made Nick laugh laugh by this point..  I can hardly wait to wait to hear that!

If Nick is falling in love with Kaitlyn, I think we are going to see something extraordinary.

Oh yes something extra ordinary and the producers would just be dancing  a jig.

Dancing a jig, and jumping up and down on the couch! I wonder how many sofas TPTB have broken this time?

Maybe that is why they did say the couch broke because they got Nick to come on the show for kaitlyn?

notarose wrote:^ adding to 
The fact that she welcomed him to join in epi 4 and the speculation that he may have received the epi 5 GD also strongly favours Nick.  IMO both show strong interest and intention on Kaitlyn's part at the get-go.  She basically validated her interest in him and didn't let outside influences, like "what will the other guys think", sway her.

I'm really glad about that, actually, not using the guys won't like it excuse. If someone else is totally into her that quickly, they'll get over it and continue trying to 'win' her, IMO.

Aunties_Love wrote:

whit90 wrote:If they are going to be there in a couple of weeks I wonder if Nick is getting the first HTD .  

I am confused.  How would it be a couple of weeks if the first HTD should be on Sunday, they'd be done the HTD's by the following Saturday, so just a week from now.

I have a hard time understanding how it could be KNOWN that  Nick was going to get a HTD before the RC that decides that??

My Bad AL I thought it was a recent interview.

relaxing wrote:

notarose wrote:^ adding to 
The fact that she welcomed him to join in epi 4 and the speculation that he may have received the epi 5 GD also strongly favours Nick.  IMO both show strong interest and intention on Kaitlyn's part at the get-go.  She basically validated her interest in him and didn't let outside influences, like "what will the other guys think", sway her.

I'm really glad about that, actually, not using the guys won't like it excuse.  If someone else is totally into her that quickly, they'll get over it and continue trying to 'win' her, IMO.

True, or that someone could switch motivation and start his pitch for the next Bach which could get murky. Anyways, as you said, not making excuses is the sign of a strong woman.  Another reason to adore Kaitlyn.

Actually,Nick did likewise.  He flirted yet still supported her decision to be the Bette... then blended their 2 wishes by going on the show.

whit90 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

whit90 wrote:If they are going to be there in a couple of weeks I wonder if Nick is getting the first HTD .  

I am confused.  How would it be a couple of weeks if the first HTD should be on Sunday, they'd be done the HTD's by the following Saturday, so just a week from now.

I have a hard time understanding how it could be KNOWN that  Nick was going to get a HTD before the RC that decides that??

My Bad AL I thought it was a recent interview.

There is an interview done yesterday that is posted somewhere here that gave the information that nick make it to final 4.

Aunties_Love wrote:

notarose wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:
Ok, thanks.  I am just confused how they'd know that far in advance that Nick is having a HTD.  That really is a setup or something is off with it one way or another.

The radio station might just be creating its own hype once they learned that Nick went back on the show. They want their listeners to keep tuning in just like mags want to sell copy. They have a 50:50 chance of being right  so why not! 


Or someone younger, like Bella, told a friend Nick was going to meet Kaitlyn and their family might have another HTD and the story became distorted before reaching the radio peeps.

Oh so another version of that old telephone game where things get so out of wack and distorted by the time they come back around again.  IMO, they did have their epi 7 RC today with that other tweet we had today.  It will be interesting to see what RS comes up with tomorrow.

I still think it's very possible that the RC was earlier than on your schedule, AL. The radio station was talking about it yesterday so could have been she heard from the source after Kaitlyn had chosen the f4. The female DJ said filming would be this weekend or next weekend so would fit the timeline. Pretty sure her source isn't Bella talking to a friend.

I am confused.... there were two interviews from that station:

1. From before Nick was officially on the show - The host said she had sources he was going on the show and that the film crew would be in Milwaukee in a couple weeks to film his family

2. April 16th the host said she had a source that told her he was in the F4 and that film crews would be coming either this weekend or next weekend to Milwaukee, which lines up with our filming schedule prediction.

In terms of the rose ceremony do we have evidence it was yesterday outside of the tweet that didn't really speak to the timing of it? Maybe I missed it.

I believe the host has a source, it doesn't mean Nick is obviously in F4 as TPTB will contact the F6/F7 families to line a HTD up. What it does mean due to timing is that Nick did not get eliminated after week 1 in Ireland and he was in Ireland when he tweeted the pic and the plane emojis.

^^ Jinx reason and albean!