Re: RS Wrong Again????

by Samantharose Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:04 pm

Titou wrote:
BlondieGal wrote:My guess, backed up by what people posted on here, is that Laney Crowell went to the tabloids about her relationship with JP. (ala Laurel)

exactly.

So then the question is was he in contact with her while filming and after... plus did he ask her to marry him before going on the show ala Brad?

by klarson79 Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:03 pm

MaggieMae wrote:

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy that states that since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one.

Or to put it more simply, A occurred (RS spoiled JP) then B (JP became a fan favorite and most believed to be F1) occurred. Therefore, A (RS spoiled JP) caused B (JP became a fan favorite and most believed to be F1).

BTW - it's also the title of an excellent The West Wing episode with the following exchange:

President Josiah Bartlet: 27 lawyers in the room. Anybody know "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc"? Josh?
Josh Lyman: Uh, uh, "post" - after, after hoc, "ergo" - therefore, "After hoc, therefore" something else hoc.
President Josiah Bartlet: Thank you. Next?
Josh Lyman: Well, if I had gotten more credit on the 443...
President Josiah Bartlet: Leo?
Leo McGarry: "After it therefore because of it."
President Josiah Bartlet: "After it therefore because of it." It means one thing follows the other, therefore it was caused by the other. But it's not always true. In fact, it's hardly ever true.

OMG! I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that you quoted The West Wing! My favorite show of all time!!

by Shelby Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:53 pm

Reidiscool wrote:
Titou wrote:
emusha wrote:actually reading this back today I'm kinda taking a step back...yes she sounds very snarky but I'm half thinking she's just trying to get people's attention and is being half-funny in her tweets (or at least attempting to) -- there's a flippant attitude that comes across in her tweets this time i"m reading it... the reason I am saying she's seeking attention is she's @ mentioning some of the well known TB/Bett twitter ppl like possensionista CH etc. for the bette show... JMO and she keeps doing the mentions

Blondie -- I am curious if you think Ash S hears from the producers or from Ashley

lets not forget the comment ashley H said : I thought the tabloids had some little truth but now I know it is not true
where did she get the info on top of what she reads....

But the only thing that's been in the tabloids thus far are spoilers that jp is the f1????

you forget about the way she was portrayed about bentley.....

by Mozart Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:52 pm

Diana wrote:
Mozart wrote:
Titou wrote:
Mozart wrote:I have a feeling, since RS tweeted that it's like what happened last season between Brad and Emily, that the same thing happened again: that Ashley chose JP, but that at some point after filming ended, the two broke up - or perhaps have been on again and off again - or are on the verge of breaking up.
We'll see tomorrow..... :shy:

or tonight with her TV interview.....

Who is going to be interviewed tonight? On what show?
She's on Lopez Live tonight

Thanks, Diana!
I think that Ashley will be coy in her interview tonight, but her demeanor might give us some clues.
I do hope that they're not breaking up though..... :shy:

by emusha Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:51 pm

Diana wrote:
Mozart wrote:
Titou wrote:
Mozart wrote:I have a feeling, since RS tweeted that it's like what happened last season between Brad and Emily, that the same thing happened again: that Ashley chose JP, but that at some point after filming ended, the two broke up - or perhaps have been on again and off again - or are on the verge of breaking up.
We'll see tomorrow..... :shy:

or tonight with her TV interview.....

Who is going to be interviewed tonight? On what show?
She's on Lopez Live tonight

speaking of which -- anyone know where i can watch it being streamed live? thx!! yes

by noobsleuth Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:51 pm

Wow gone all day and I come back to this!

Uhh... Pretty much with everyone else.
1. Wrong F1 ... does this mean JP is the next Bach? Oh be still my heart. Yes please... can married women sign up? KIdding!
2. ATFR Wedding/lack thereof
3. Laney is coming out with something really incriminating. (Laurel part 2)

Don't think there is trouble in paradise at all. Emily stopped doing vblogs after her first 1 on 1 probably because this is when they started arguing. JP and Ben have consistently doing them. So whoever Ash is with I strongly feel they are still together.

I can only speak for myself but... if Ben is F1 they did a complete disservice to him and Ash this season and also us (the fans). Ben was no where to be seen with Ashley until the episode 4 orphanage date and no one can argue with that. We have never seen their first kiss, we have never seen Ben comfort her on the Roast date (when her insecurities came to the forefront) and we have never seen Ben's reaction to Bentley. CH literally told us that on Ben's HTD they had a blast together in the market however, TPTB felt it more important to show Ben's path of healing instead of his time with Ashley. The post show behavior of the two aside. Never has an F1 been hidden until episode 4. I'm not so crazy to assume that the story and edit has been pointing to JP as F1 am I? LOL

by umngirl Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:48 pm

bluwavz wrote:
umngirl wrote:I probably missed this while skimming this thread, but did RS mention when he is releasing this info tomorrow? TIA

10:00 AM CST.

Thanks. Of course it's right after I start work. Maybe I will have to get someone to tweet it to me so I can find out right away.

by Diana Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:47 pm

Mozart wrote:
Titou wrote:
Mozart wrote:I have a feeling, since RS tweeted that it's like what happened last season between Brad and Emily, that the same thing happened again: that Ashley chose JP, but that at some point after filming ended, the two broke up - or perhaps have been on again and off again - or are on the verge of breaking up.
We'll see tomorrow..... :shy:

or tonight with her TV interview.....

Who is going to be interviewed tonight? On what show?

She's on Lopez Live tonight :yes:

by Mozart Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:46 pm

Titou wrote:
Mozart wrote:I have a feeling, since RS tweeted that it's like what happened last season between Brad and Emily, that the same thing happened again: that Ashley chose JP, but that at some point after filming ended, the two broke up - or perhaps have been on again and off again - or are on the verge of breaking up.
We'll see tomorrow..... :shy:

or tonight with her TV interview.....

Who is going to be interviewed tonight? Ashley? On what show?

by Reidiscool Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:44 pm

Titou wrote:
emusha wrote:actually reading this back today I'm kinda taking a step back...yes she sounds very snarky but I'm half thinking she's just trying to get people's attention and is being half-funny in her tweets (or at least attempting to) -- there's a flippant attitude that comes across in her tweets this time i"m reading it... the reason I am saying she's seeking attention is she's @ mentioning some of the well known TB/Bett twitter ppl like possensionista CH etc. for the bette show... JMO and she keeps doing the mentions

Blondie -- I am curious if you think Ash S hears from the producers or from Ashley

lets not forget the comment ashley H said : I thought the tabloids had some little truth but now I know it is not true
where did she get the info on top of what she reads....

But the only thing that's been in the tabloids thus far are spoilers that jp is the f1????

by Jeepers Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:43 pm

ironcat wrote:
Beeleever wrote:I can only speak for myself when I say, it is an insult to my intelligence when it is implied that the only reason why I may be supporting someone is because RS spoils they win. Because of the last two seasons and RS getting them wrong, that couldn't be further from the truth. I would never question anyone's right to see things through their unique lens and perspective or the fact that they cannot think clearly for themselves. Just sayin...

Now I'll go back to obscurity on this subject because I refuse to participate in a barrage of negativity over a reality TV show.

I agree, it's very insulting. And might I add that based on so many comments I have read along the lines of "I am desperately hoping for RS to be wrong", I find it equally likely that some of the people who think Ben is F1, despite many viewers seeing no chemistry between him and Ash, believe this for no other reason than because of their desire to root against the spoiler.

Egads, that is just about as insulting. People like and prefer who they take a hankering to. Simple as that

by cfck2222 Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:43 pm

Here's where I struggle with the ex theory especially if it's Laney Crowell.

Yes she wants attention. But if JP is the real estate investor who was the ex mentioned in the New York Times article on her faux club, that was over 2 years ago. I don't think any tabloid would care unless there was something more recent involved. Like MaggieMae says, the juicy stuff would have to be right before and/or during the time the show was taping. We have no reason to think that was the case for Laney nor do her tweets imply that was the case. The way she put this, this was all before the show.

If there's an ex coming forward to talk about JP then IMO it's somebody else and I'm a little surprised it hasn't come out already. Though I guess there would be more impact now since they'd be down to F2 by the time any tabloid story came out.

Too, keep in mind In Touch has tried a couple of negative JP stories that haven't stuck (they have holes) and OK claimed JP had already dumped Ashley (which if he is F1 is clearly false). It's not like there aren't tabloids digging.

When it comes to scandal stuff doesn't RS prefer to put it out there that a story's coming out but he doesn't want to be the one breaking the actual story? That's what he did with Laurel and also gossip about some of the women on Brad's season. I guess he could've changed his policy or he could just be telling people a story's coming out next week. It still feels like it's too early in the tabloid news cycle for that. But, I guess you never know.

By the way I assumed Ashley S's tweets about the tabloid stuff were in reference to the new In Touch story that was negative about JP and Ashley H. The one that said he'd dump her because she's insecure and pathetic Rolling Eyes

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