Bachelor 19 - Becca Tilly #4

Hotmomma wrote:I believe Becca told him she was all in..NO? Durning their talk?

Yep. I think so.

hmbach wrote:

concerned36 wrote:

hmbach wrote:

That is what I think their heated discussion in Bali was all about that we didn't get to see.  

Maybe he gives her a Sandra Bullock and Ryan Reynolds The Proposal type proposal.  "Marry Me so that I can date you" :cutesmile!:

But if she showed up for the RC ready to get a rose, she was taking a big chance, fully committing to being F2. A big risk, if she wasn't sure.

It's my opinion that she was sure, or she would have told him so.  Just my two cents.  She was sure she didn't want them to end.  She just isn't sure she wants to move to Arlington yesterday (and wisely so) they have only been on what? 5 dates? That would be insane in her (and most everyones) eyes.

That's my opinion too. But my point is that Chris's excuse in that US article was that he went with the one who was sure to say yes. Yet, both women were committed to saying yes, and he surely knew that. Neither could back out. That's the point I was trying to make.

concerned36 wrote:

hmbach wrote:

concerned36 wrote:

But if she showed up for the RC ready to get a rose, she was taking a big chance, fully committing to being F2. A big risk, if she wasn't sure.

It's my opinion that she was sure, or she would have told him so.  Just my two cents.  She was sure she didn't want them to end.  She just isn't sure she wants to move to Arlington yesterday (and wisely so) they have only been on what? 5 dates? That would be insane in her (and most everyones) eyes.

 That's my opinion too. But my point is that Chris's excuse in that US article was that he went with the one who was sure to say yes.  Yet, both women were committed to saying yes, and he surely knew that.  Neither could back out. That's the point I was trying to make.

But Whitney still hasn't seen Arlington at this point... so will she be as willing to say yes after seeing it? And Whitney is quoted a few times in her interviews saying that she would excuse herself if there were any doubts. Whereas Beccas issue is not an issue of if but more a question of when.

hmbach wrote:

Hotmomma wrote:I believe Becca told him she was all in..NO? Durning their talk?

Yep. I think so.

I don't think so - that was a  VO, she could have said that later, MTP or LCD or that week. But they used it here. They want viewers to think stuff went on in FS, and that's why I think Becca set the record straight on her SM.  To me, that sounds a little like a frankenbite.  Like they asked her what would it take for you to say yes. She could have said, I would have to be 100% all in, and they took off the I would have to be.

Hopefully wrote:But the thing at the RC. Becca told the girl she thinks she is going home.

Somebody could've been chirping in her ear to create doubt, but after their talk when walking back to the RC, she was smiling.

Beagle wrote:In regards to the edit, without knowing the spoilers, I would think Becca was F1, BUT unfortunately every season now we deal with SM after filming, and sure enough every season they give us clues to make the outcome known and I can't ignore what I'm seeing in SM which to me points directly to Whitney.

really? I have no idea how to read SM - that's tricky for me, because it could be either way, Becca does post a lot, Whitney doesn't ... I don't know the usual routine, if there is in these cases how F1/F2 behave online. So, I don't mind reading your thoughts about it.

That said, if I'm reading it all wrong in term of the edit and it turns out Whit is F1, then there go all my theories about the protagonists (their facial expressions, body language, personalities ...) and I would think that there was never a real foundation between Becca & Chris to begin with. I wouldn't buy the spoiled version of him not choosing her only at the end because of her indecisiveness or her backing away in the last moment, no, then I would have to reevaluate everything from the start.

It was befor Chris had came in to the RC

concerned36 wrote:

hmbach wrote:

Hotmomma wrote:I believe Becca told him she was all in..NO? Durning their talk?

Yep. I think so.

I don't think so - that was a  VO, she could have said that later, MTP or LCD or that week. But they used it here. They want viewers to think stuff went on in FS, and that's why I think Becca set the record straight on her SM.  To me, that sounds a little like a frankenbite.  Like they asked her what would it take for you to say yes. She could have said, I would have to be 100% all in, and they took off the I would have to be.

Oh great catch! I agree. I bet she says it on LCD or in Arlington and they used it in reference to the virginity thing. That would make sense.

hmbach wrote:

concerned36 wrote:

hmbach wrote:

It's my opinion that she was sure, or she would have told him so.  Just my two cents.  She was sure she didn't want them to end.  She just isn't sure she wants to move to Arlington yesterday (and wisely so) they have only been on what? 5 dates? That would be insane in her (and most everyones) eyes.

 That's my opinion too. But my point is that Chris's excuse in that US article was that he went with the one who was sure to say yes.  Yet, both women were committed to saying yes, and he surely knew that.  Neither could back out. That's the point I was trying to make.

But Whitney still hasn't seen Arlington at this point... so will she be as willing to say yes after seeing it? And Whitney is quoted a few times in her interviews saying that she would excuse herself if there were any doubts. Whereas Beccas issue is not an issue of if but more a question of when.  

They can't excuse themselves once they get to F2. Neither one can say no to a proposal. That's a rule (unless they did away with it). The only thing is that Chris works with them and he doesn't want to propose if they are not sure. But he CAN propose to either. It's his choice. But I guess he also has to think, is this going to last in the long run, even if she says yes at the FRC. I'm just saying Chris excuse is bogus bc both women must say yes if he proposes.

happygolucky wrote:

Beagle wrote:In regards to the edit, without knowing the spoilers, I would think Becca was F1, BUT unfortunately every season now we deal with SM after filming, and sure enough every season they give us clues to make the outcome known and I can't ignore what I'm seeing in SM which to me points directly to Whitney.

really? I have no idea how to read SM - that's tricky for me, because it could be either way, Becca does post a lot, Whitney doesn't ... I don't know the usual routine, if there is in these cases how F1/F2 behave online. So, I don't mind reading your thoughts about it.

That said, if I'm reading it all wrong in term of the edit and it turns out Whit is F1, then there go all my theories about the protagonists (their facial expressions, body language, personalities ...) and I would think that there was never a real foundation between Becca & Chris to begin with. I wouldn't buy the spoiled version of him not choosing her only at the end because of her indecisiveness or her backing away in the last moment, no, then I would have to reevaluate everything from the start.

I think that the SM presence really points to Becca as F1.  W's have all been just pics of her (or her and a baby) along with pic of her Mom and her, or quotes about being a Confident Woman (not sure how to read that one I'll admit). But all of Beccas have been "Love is patient love is kind", family, pictures of her with Chris (lots more than W), and then of course there is Chris who has been pretty quiet in terms of hints I think, but big ones to me were the Luckiest man alive and the Make Love Facing West thing (and of course his blogs which favor Becca big time).  The other girls (even W) posting about don't believe everything you read in the gossip magazines... point me to B.

Becca told W and K that she thought she was going home. This befor C had even arrived at the RC. Then when she said that things prettying much didn't go well. That her telling C She was a virgin would be a deal breaker. Then C shows up then he pulls her aside then they have the talk. Then that's when I think that she reassures C. That she wanted to tell him more about how she was feeling about arlington. He needed to know. She needed to tell him. To keep his mind and heart clear.

concerned36 wrote:

hmbach wrote:

concerned36 wrote:
 That's my opinion too. But my point is that Chris's excuse in that US article was that he went with the one who was sure to say yes.  Yet, both women were committed to saying yes, and he surely knew that.  Neither could back out. That's the point I was trying to make.

But Whitney still hasn't seen Arlington at this point... so will she be as willing to say yes after seeing it? And Whitney is quoted a few times in her interviews saying that she would excuse herself if there were any doubts. Whereas Beccas issue is not an issue of if but more a question of when.  

They can't excuse themselves once they get to F2. Neither one can say no to a proposal. That's a rule (unless they did away with it).  The only thing is that Chris works with them and he doesn't want to propose if they are not sure.  But he CAN propose to either. It's his choice. But I guess he also has to think, is this going to last in the long run, even if she says yes at the FRC.  I'm just saying Chris excuse is bogus bc both women must say yes if he proposes.

I don't believe this is true but I have not seen the new contracts. Kasha and some others might be able to speak to this. TPTB always stress that no one is holding a gun to anyone's head and if someone is being proposed to and suddenly wants to say no, I would think this is considered Bachelor gold!! Hehe