Re: Bachelor New Zealand - Art Green - *Sleuthing* - *Spoilers*

by ElonM Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:30 pm

AllAboutLove wrote:Question: when posting on IG, does the time adjust for wherever you are located or is it the actual time of the posting? For example: PST is 20 hours behind New Zealand time. If someone posts from NZ and the time is seen in PST is it adjusted to what the time would have been in NZ or?

Not sure if this will help but Alysha just posted on IG. My current time when she posted showed up.

Here's the pic
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4.19 pm 3/31/2015

by AllAboutLove Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:32 pm

ElonM wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote: she is blonde alright!

Actually, on a serious note:
I am wondering if maybe his F1 was hurt a bit (IF he is still with her and she is not Dani she may very well be upset a bit seeing him kiss another girl?) and so he did this to lighten the mood? Because most people are saying he chose Dani now that the episode aired and she got the first kiss and has been shown she will get another first kiss tonight's episode).

Also, EP 5 we saw Matilda cry. It is interesting because she says "I talked to my mum and she said I have the skills in me to get on with it". Then she is crying... like she wanted to leave? I wonder if they had their phones? Bach Aussie said they got a hold of phones while in the mansion. If Matilda was homesick maybe they let her call? Otherwise why say she talked to her mother? Pre-show yes, but it doesn't sound like it and it sounds like her mom was giving her advice for staying in the mansion.

Sidenote: What I have noticed is that from all the girls that are on Instagram, Matilda is the only one that has not commented or liked any of Art's posts. Will have to recheck.

I guess production helped her given how emotional she was at the time. When a contestant is behaving strange from the others its an indication that person is the F1. I reference the recent bachelor F3. The F1 posted the least but when she did it was intimate pics of the couple.

I just watched the episode. Art and Dani kiss went by in seconds. Plus in the preview with Chrystal I can't believe that's a kiss. Is he holding back his in depth kisses for a special lady?

I noticed Matilda narrated most of this episode. Why? Also her ITMs were filmed at a later time.

Poppy's hairstyle was interesting to say the least

Well if Alysha is the F1 I'll take a while to like her

Great post ElonM. Her ITMs were all mostly filmed later. Same for Alysha's and Dani's I noticed. Matilda is definitely acting the most invested emotionally out of the girls, IMO. I just hope the VO of her saying heartbreak are not foreboding.

And YES! I agree with you. It will take me a while to warm to Alysha. I much prefer Dani and Matilda. Amanda seems to be VERY good friends with Alysha though and was cheering her on. Hmmmmm... It is really hard to stay invested if one doesn't care for the final girl (F1). Hope I like her because I really like Art. I do think he is just a nice guy.

by AllAboutLove Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:39 pm

ElonM wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:Question: when posting on IG, does the time adjust for wherever you are located or is it the actual time of the posting? For example: PST is 20 hours behind New Zealand time. If someone posts from NZ and the time is seen in PST is it adjusted to what the time would have been in NZ or?

Not sure if this will help but Alysha just posted on IG. My current time when she posted showed up.

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@alyshajadebrown
The dress that got me a rose emoji thanks to @fameandpartners xx
4.19 pm 3/31/2015

Thank you

Are you EST time ElonM?

by ElonM Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:55 pm

AllAboutLove wrote:
ElonM wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:Question: when posting on IG, does the time adjust for wherever you are located or is it the actual time of the posting? For example: PST is 20 hours behind New Zealand time. If someone posts from NZ and the time is seen in PST is it adjusted to what the time would have been in NZ or?

Not sure if this will help but Alysha just posted on IG. My current time when she posted showed up.

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@alyshajadebrown
The dress that got me a rose emoji thanks to @fameandpartners xx
4.19 pm 3/31/2015
Thank you Are you EST time ElonM?

Its GMT Caribbean time which is same as NYC EST time currently.

I had to go look that up. Embarassed

by AllAboutLove Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:11 pm

I have to look up this time too. Reason being is that if it shows up as 4:19 PM EST (GMT Caribbean time) and 1:19 PDT (for west coast USA) so that means I will have to adjust the time for NZ for posts made on IG, etc. They are 20 hrs ahead PDT and 17hrs ahead EST.

So, from my sleuthing, it seems that Art's mom got married Feb 27.

I sleuthed 4 different relatives public SM and they posted Feb 26 for the wedding so timewise it would be Feb 27 in the afternoon.

This falls in the timeline for the post by The New Zealand Herald about Art's mother's wedding being around that time. Just cannot figure out yet if it was filming finished or a break in filming. Because the finished filming post was on Mar 1 and the break in filming post was on Mar 19, it could go either way. Either filming did finish then and the article was correct about it being finished and they pretended later on once the show started and said 'break in filming' so as to give doubt. Or, the first Mar 1 post was incorrect and the latter is correct. Still don't know... will figure it out though Smiley

by mercieme Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:28 pm

So I just checked the latest screen caps that AAL made of Matilda on Episode 5. Anyone notice the small pendant chain she seems to be wearing on all her ITMs so far?

Similar to Bach Canada S2, Michael Hill will be sponsoring the Bach NZ; I wonder if someone gets a jewelry gift on the show at some point. I am curious to know if it's Matilda since she wore that penchant chain with 3 different outfit so far on her ITMs based on my recollection. Could also be that it's her own jewelry though, but wanted to note down this observation.

by AEF Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:30 am

Are they editing out the chemistry between Matilda and Art? I'm not seeing it? Even if she is holding back and their interactions are awkward, I still am not seeing a spark between the two of them at the moment. It may change in next few weeks. Also don't think Matilda is the woman he is describing he wants.

by AllAboutLove Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:06 am

IMO, they are definitely editing out things with Matilda and Art. But they're there and those waterfall s/caps if they are Matilda let me know that how he felt for her never changed. And I see a spark. There is such an *awareness* between the two of them. It is both a wall and a magnet.

Also... it is more important that he is NOT treating/touching her like a buddy/friend (as he does with Poppy for example). He may not be touching her intimately like with Dani or Chrystal but I think that is due to Matilda's more reserved nature and Art is more shy and I think that will have to be something he shows more. If he has shown more I cannot see them showing it to us given that she got so many firsts with Art.

She has also been on the group dates consistently.

If any of the girls are the woman he described so far funny, doesn't take herself seriously, and has beautiful eyes it would be Dani. But I think Matilda is just as funny and has really beautiful eyes too. Also, Dani never got an intro video (for the first episode or before her single date - but she did get the first kiss and the 3rd one too).

Art is a funny guy. He keeps bringing up he wants a girl that is funny, fun, and doesn't take herself seriously (and that someone who DOES take themselves seriously is a turn off). For me, out the girls, that is Matilda, Dani, and Poppy to a lesser degree. Chrystal and Alysha are more similar and don't poke fun at themselves or at least their edit isn't shown to be that way. I personally feel Poppy is there because she reminds Art of his mom and having her around is like having someone he can be himself with around - like his mom. He likes her, but I don't see *it* between them.

by AllAboutLove Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:37 pm

Editing and updating timeline for 2 things:

1) details from EP 6 (Wednesday, April 1st in NZ)
2) correcting for time differences (see note below).

Note: NZ time is 17 hours ahead of USA time in EST. This means that whatever date/time you view SM activity or posts by contestants or Art, is actually 17 hours EST behind NZ time (so if you are PDT then you are 20 hours behind NZ and are viewing a post in your own time but was posted 20 hours ahead).

For example:
You live in NYC and are EST USA time.
You see a post by TBNZ contestant and it is marked 2pm April 1, 2015.
This means that the person in NZ posted this at their time of 7am April 2, 2015 which is a day ahead of you in NYC (so the next day).

Based on this time difference the start date of Jan 17 seems correct while SM activity post-show may be incorrect by 1 day (meaning SM activity and posts made by anyone in NZ are actually 17-20 hours later in NZ).

The dates posted by Media articles from NZ websites may not need to be time adjusted if the dates were typed in manually and are not seen in your local time. Will have to check for The NZ Herald, for instance if this is the case.

AllAboutLove wrote:Note: this is still being edited and will continue to be updated
Timeline in New Zealand Time using mercieme and ElonM's (thank you both!!) sleuthing and post from Alysha saying that RCs were about 3 days apart and maximum of 7 weeks shooting starting mid-Jan (thanks to AEF for sleuthing/posting this!) so Jan 17-28 (6 weeks) or Jan 17-March 7 (7 weeks):

Key (just to help make it easier to read)
M&G= meet and greet
SD= single date (all single date girls have gotten a rose so far. Will only change this if that changes)
GD= group date
GDR= group date rose
SQT= special quality time
CP= cocktail party (including this since almost half of each episode thus far is just CP)
RC= rose ceremony
HTD= hometown date
FD= fantasy date (note that unlikely to have sleepovers)
MTP= meet the parents
LCD= last chance date (will be interesting to see if no girls let go before FRC)
FRC= final rose ceremony (not sure if together post-show. Maybe TBAUS format a clue?)

Possible Timeline in New Zealand Time (*7 week filming timeline would include the week of Mar 1-7th)
Jan 17: M&G/CP/1st RC; Ep 1 (17 girls remain)
Jan 18: SD= Poppy -- would the single date be the next day after first RC?
Jan 19: GD/SQT=Chrystal, Danielle L. and Dani/GDR= Dani
Jan 20: CP/2nd RC; Ep 2 (15 girls remain)
Jan 21: SD= Matilda
Jan 22: GD/SQT+GDR= Kristie
Jan 23: CP/3rd RC; Ep 3 (14 girls remain)
Jan 24: SD= Amanda
Jan 25: GD/SQT+GDR= Poppy
Jan 26: CP/4th RC; Ep 4 (13 girls remain)
Jan 27: SD= Dani
Jan 28: GD/SQT+GDR ? -- Hayley wins the shooting challenge SQT -- Art changed his FB pic
Jan 29: CP/5th RC; Ep 5 (12 girls remain) -- Hayley leaves
Jan 30: SD=Chrsytal
Jan 31: GD=everyone/GDR=Natalie and Dani/SQT=Dani
Feb 1: CP/6th RC; Ep 6 (11 girls remain) -- Shivani leaves
Feb 2: SD= Alysha
Feb 3: GD=
Feb 4: CP/7th RC (10max to 8min girls remain) -- 1min-3max girls leave?
Feb 5: SD
Feb 6: GD
Feb 7: CP/8th RC; Ep 8 (9max to 7min girls remain) -- 1min-2max girls leave? - Hayley active on SM (so possibly 1 week later after being eliminated)
Feb 8:
Feb 9:
Feb 10: CP/9th RC; Ep 9 (8max to 6min girls remain if RCs prior 2+ girls leave) -- 1min-2max girls leave?
Feb 11: -- Brigette active on SM (Feb 10 US time but Feb 11 NZ time): "I'm baaaack!"
Feb 12:
Feb 13: 10th RC; Ep 10 (7max to 4min girls remain if 2+ girls left prior RCs) -- 1min-2max girls leave?
Feb 14: If 4 girls left, then this could be the earliest possible time beginning for HTDs? -- Carrisa active on SM
Feb 15:
Feb 16: If not HTDs yet, then possible 11th RC; Ep 11 (6max to 4min girls remain) -- 1min-2max girls leave?
Feb 17: If 4 girls left, then could be HTDs this week
Feb 18: -- Amanda active on SM
Feb 19: If earliest HTDs, then possible 12th RC; Ep 12 (5max to 3min girls remain) -- 1min-2max girls leave?
Feb 20: Earliest possible time for FDs, if had earliest possible HTDs.
If FDs, then travel to Fiji for at least one of the dates according to this article
Feb 21: -- Natalie active on SM
Feb 22: Possible 13th RC; Ep 13 (4max to 2min girls remain) -- 1min-2max girls leave?
Feb 23: -- Poppy active on SM (had Pre-1on1 Intro Video)
Feb 24: NZ Tauranga possible visit according to this article (which talks about one venue featured is a vintage wedding place?) or referring to Art's mother's wedding on Feb 27? (Took a 'break from filming*' according to this Mar 19 article. MTP? (Art's mother lives in Tauranga and their lake house was featured in Art's intro video with ALL the family from both sides of his parents on 1st Episode so it would be convenient if MTP was this week).
  If filming ended Feb 28, then likely it was MTP (and could also be wedding for Art's mom).
Feb 25:   -- Chrystal active on SM (had Intro Video)
Feb 26:
Feb 27: -- Art's mom got married this day and he attended the wedding (according to SM posts) (*so break in filming?)
-- Matilda active on SM (had Intro Video)
Feb 28: Possible FRC (6 Week timeline)
Mar 1: Filming finished according to this Mar 1st article
*Mar 2:
Mar 3: -- Kristie active on SM with Bali FB post (had Intro Video) The NZHerald article said Fiji.
Mar 4:
Mar 5:
Mar 6:
Mar 7: Possible FRC (7 Week timeline) -- Alysha active on SM
Mar 8:
Mar 9: -- Dani active on SM (thought I saw earlier activity by her late-Feb but when rechecked her FB was private and cannot guarantee it... so March 9 may or may not be a clue)
Note: 4 girls have public figure FB pages that they created themselves 1)Natalie 2)Chrystal 3)Dani 4)Kristie

Travel:
- Timeline doesn't account for travel before HTDs where they stay at a location other than mansion. NZ is a small country so maybe they stayed at the mansion and just traveled via helicopter/seaplane (as they have done already on single dates) from Auckland? and travel only when HTDs happen and thereafter?
- HTDs travel unknown how many girls (3-4?) or whether on South Island (as is Chrystal, Alysha, and Kristie) or North Island near Auckland (as is Matilda, Poppy, Amanda, Dani).
- FDs mentioned in NZ Herald that at least 1 date was to Fiji. Also stated that only 2 of the FD may be to Fiji (not 3 so maybe only had 1 or 2 girls at that stage left? or the other went somewhere else? Logistically not sure how that would work??)
------ Based on the timeline and location of Art's mom's wedding and it being the week of or before FRC, it is likely that MTP, LCD, and perhaps even FRC was filmed in Tauranga somewhere if this Feb 24 article about something happening in Tauranga and was filmed according to this article. If nothing happens, then it may just have been filming for Art's intro video since he was with his whole family that week.
- MTP location? = Tauranga Seems more likely to travel to Art's family than have the family travel? So that would be Tauranga. Was shown in first episode at his mom's lake house. His dad was there as well (they are divorced and married to other people). Possibly could have occurred week of Feb 23rd according to The New Zealand Herald or has nothing to do with it (see timeline above for links).
- LCDs? Not sure if they had them and if so, where? Tauranga makes the most sense.
- FRC location = Tauranga? If MTP and LCDs are filmed in Tauranga, then the FRC could be there as well. Could also be filmed in Auckland or at another exotic location (Bali?) or wherever the LCD is filmed if not in Tauranga.

Brigette:
- As of Ep 6 she's still one of the remaining girls.
- Brigette posted Feb 10 (but actually was Feb 11th in NZ... so thinking based on when they leave we may be able to figure out when filming started at least.

WTA/ATFR:
- Any details yet on whether there will be a Women Tell All filmed? (Will have to keep eyes out for women posting about meeting up to film for possible WTA.)
- After The Final Rose filming planned/part of lineup or episodes? (Thinking they will definitely have one if following TBAU S1.)

# of Episodes/Length of Season 1:
- Has anyone heard or found anything regarding how many episodes there are or when the last episode will air?
- All I have heard from media is a possible ~10 weeks of the show (not sure if including WTA/ATFR)?
- If 2 Episodes per Week, then and 10 weeks show on TV, not sure how that all fits? Obviously less girls as the time goes by so less GDs and more SDs, WTA?, HTDs, FD, MTP, LCD (maybe not?), FRC and ATFR?

by mercieme Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:45 pm

I have not watched this week's episode yet...however I read AAL's recap, thanks girl!!!

My thoughts for now are that Dani is definitely at the forefront for now. Art seems into her based on what has been show and also has the chemistry edit going on. I just hope it's not the "bubble" effect. With the event that happened with both Bach CAN and Bach AUS S2, I am looking for more than chemistry and a balancing with some substantial mental connection as well. At least that's my expectation for Art based on all that has been written and said about him in the media.

by AllAboutLove Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:09 pm

mercieme wrote:I have not watched this week's episode yet...however I read AAL's recap, thanks girl!!!

My thoughts for now are that Dani is definitely at the forefront for now. Art seems into her based on what has been show and also has the chemistry edit going on. I just hope it's not the "bubble" effect. With the event that happened with both Bach CAN and Bach AUS S2, I am looking for more than chemistry and a balancing with some substantial mental connection as well. At least that's my expectation for Art based on all that has been written and said about him in the media.

Agreed. They seem to have a bit of a physical chemistry edit, imo (although not as physical as the one he has with Chrystal). I am not sold that she is F1. She didn't get an intro video at all, not even before her date. Poppy did.

I am still thinking that Matilda is F1. The only other person I can think of maybe Poppy (I keep going back and forth with her b/c I just see her as a friend to Art, like she is his comfort like his mother as he said). Still thinking Matilda and no matter how much post-show SM tries to sway me, I still believe it is Matilda that is F1 (hoping she breaks the FIR curse and gets the FR too for the bachelor - not bachelorette - franchise).

I will say that whoever is waterfall girl is F1. And to me, that is Matilda. Based on the timeline, I wonder if he let someone go before FD? or? Because NZ Herald could only confirm one date to Fiji. Will be interesting to see. But I just focus on the way that Art looks at Matilda and it is different, imo, to all the other girls.

I also think they only filmed for 6 weeks. There was an interview that compared a 6 week show and said so to Art in interview and he agreed. So I see 6 weeks filming and I believe that NZ Herald was correct when they said filming had finished end of Feb (at least for FRC). I don't think the SM activity by those after this date is believable to me. I don't see anything with Kristie and Art. Won't be surprised if she is not even in F4. I am actually very hopeful that there will be a love story and it will be with Matilda and Art. *hoping*

ETA: saw this posted on Art's SM. There are LOTS of posts and rumours going around that the cat is out the bag and people are saying he chose Matilda and that the secret is out in Auckland.
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by AllAboutLove Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:07 pm

Matilda had posted this on her FB awhile back and also similar on her IG. She has a cast on her arm so she broke her arm? She was at a wedding for this photo (post-show). Wonder if anything happened to cause her to break her arm? question

Will keep an eye out.
Also need to check on that necklace... :detective

The girl just looks SOOO happy on her IG, etc for her not to be F1, imo. :cutesmile!: I think I will be shocked if she is not F1. affraid

Matilda is my new favorite... she reminds me of a more mature and genuine Sam from TB Aussie S2. Even her edit reminds me of Sam's edit but I think Matilda will have the happy ending. She and Art just have *it* in my opinion and are such a great match they have the same humor and not taking themselves seriously. Art would be nuts, imo, to not choose her. :swinginglove

Putting on my :rosiecolored

that match Matilda's! :cutesmile!:
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